PreSonus Studio One 7 apparently imminent

[Uncle E]

One of the videos recommended setting up an arranger track, then dragging the arranger sections into the launcher. Doing it that way doesn't seem to have these issues.

[apoclypse]

Clip launcher/when it comes to audio parts, the science ran out; it can still separate them, but that’s about it. We'll have to see during future updates if they manage to fix it.



Obviously a first world problem, but if we’re at it, they could have gone all out.

ps. And it even froze, so you can't really try it like this - a less happy beta tester (maybe the name of the clip should not be crash - I just saved someone a comment, you're welcome. )

Yeah it has some problems. When I drag an 4 bar loop of kick and 8 bar long of something else, the launcher registers both of them a 8 bars and kick clip does not loop after 4 bars, instead plays 4 bars then 4 bars of silence.

Same thing happens when you use the new loop function for a midi event and then drag it to clip launcher area. It does not loop correctly.

A clip launcher that does not loop properly seems like a fail to me. Is this the kind of updates users will expect from now on? Half baked, shoddily implemented features just to check a box that they indeed do "4 updates per year"?

[Crossinger]

Is this the kind of updates users will expect from now on?

I joined the club with v4.1, and I while I still like Studio One, it always had issues with quality assurance. Not only with x.0.0 upgrades, but also with minor versions. Sometimes I really shake my head and ask myself why they touched a certain area and why they managed to break previously working things.

[gentleclockdivider]

Clip launcher/when it comes to audio parts, the science ran out; it can still separate them, but that’s about it. We'll have to see during future updates if they manage to fix it.



Obviously a first world problem, but if we’re at it, they could have gone all out.

ps. And it even froze, so you can't really try it like this - a less happy beta tester (maybe the name of the clip should not be crash - I just saved someone a comment, you're welcome. )

Yeah it has some problems. When I drag an 4 bar loop of kick and 8 bar long of something else, the launcher registers both of them a 8 bars and kick clip does not loop after 4 bars, instead plays 4 bars then 4 bars of silence.

Same thing happens when you use the new loop function for a midi event and then drag it to clip launcher area. It does not loop correctly.

So , clips can not have diferent loop lengths ?
Is this confirmed as a bug or just a missing feature ?

[Freaqpeak]

I don't know for sure, but I think devs ingeneral was way more impressed by VST3 when it was released.

Correct, you dont, as the opposite is actually true. Which is why Steinberg had to rescind the rights of developers to make VST2 versions to get traction for VST3.

The owner of the CLAP format are just trying to dominate what others must do to fit their agenda, like signing questionable contracts.

That's a ridiculous fiction; unlike VST3, CLAP is an open source format with no proprietary license agreement. So an utterly ironic claim, given how Steinberg forced VST3 on the marketplace.,

I thought the sarcasm was obvious.

I'll blame it on the too cool for school cats that probably just needs a hug.

[koalaboy]

I thought the sarcasm was obvious.

Sarcasm is rarely ovbious in writing, as it depends upon the tone of voice.

Perhaps that's how you always write. (See... that last bit was sarcasm. Stated for clarity)

[BONES]

A quick question, of a more general nature, if I may - which other DAWs come with a remote app like Studio One's? I've only just realised what a huge boost it is going to give us on stage, having confirmed that it can work with a Studio One install on the same computer. That allows me to use it properly with a mouse and keyboard in the studio and with a touch-based interface on stage, which will be very handy for us.

[Michael L]

A quick question, of a more general nature, if I may - which other DAWs come with a remote app like Studio One's?

Logic, Cubase, Ableton, but of course TouchOSC and also:
https://www.bluecataudio.com/Products/P ... teControl/
https://metagrid.app/ (celebrity-endorsed by yours truly)

[THE INTRANCER]

How many updates does Bitwig have per year on average?

[Freaqpeak]

teilo has it backwards. It's the CLAP boosters who get hot under the collar anytime anyone brings some reality into the conversation. It's because KVR is prone to some culty behaviour.

But the CLAP cultists are free to get back to us when Universal Audio, Waves, Arturia, IK Multimedia, Eventide, and Brainworx all start supporting CLAP. Though I doubt any of us will still be around for that day. Or that it will ever come.

Well, you shifted from saying CLAP doesnt bring anything new, good or better - but when realizing that both license and tech themselfs are genuinly good for devs (and for users) - you then shifted to explain how the market works in general.

Your "reality perspective" applies to any ANY format not forced by one of the big platforms. If you have any criticism around CLAP in specific, feel free to present it and maybe even a suggestion for solution.

Your position that CLAP is non-essential in the CURRENT market has nothing to do with its capabilities regarding licensing and tech.
Many of us, both devs and users, that have been using DAWs since the late 90's feel passionate about CLAP for good reasons. If that is cultish behaviour, ok. Who is the strong charismatic leader that decides what to say and think?

You lost the license and tech arguments, but are 100% correct in how markets works, which isnt specific to CLAP.......
So sarcastic comments like "I thougth it was easy to implement" just shows you do not comment in good faith.

The decision to use CLAP will require long-term strategic decisions by all commercial entities before they chose a route for the future. Why would the large plugin companies not tale the time to look at the risks vs costs vs future advantages?

The companies you mentioned already have plans for coming years, which they evaluate regurarly and when things happen, or dont happen, in the market, they re-evaluate.

As users we just have to wait, and the cool thing is, we can continue to use VST3 as long as we want (and/or when Steinberg wants). They can co-exist perfectly, supporting both leaves devs with less risk for future changes by Steinberg but with the risk of having increased costs for something that wont take off.

You know this, but you love to point out that it is something specific about CLAP by itself that is somehow bad. Which is factually wrong. Of course, lots of ppl who likes the idea of open formats and "open" licenses in general will argue the upsides. I would maybe call that ideology, not culty.


...Wait, UAD has real VST3 support for their plugins now? 16 years after VST3 was released? They finally have sidechain input? They had years and years to do it, but I sold my UAD cards...

[BONES]

A quick question, of a more general nature, if I may - which other DAWs come with a remote app like Studio One's?

Logic, Cubase, Ableton, but of course TouchOSC and also:
https://www.bluecataudio.com/Products/P ... teControl/
https://metagrid.app/ (celebrity-endorsed by yours truly)

That's more a list of things that can be made to work with remote apps that run on OSes other than the one your main application runs on, which is not really the same thing, at least not for my requirements.
I only found out by accidents that Presonus even made one and I have no idea how long it has been around. They should promote it more/better, it's definitely a good selling point for people on Windows, who can use touch on their laptops. If I'd known about it earlier, I could have ditched my mouse on stage years ago.

[audiojunkie]

A quick question, of a more general nature, if I may - which other DAWs come with a remote app like Studio One's? I've only just realised what a huge boost it is going to give us on stage, having confirmed that it can work with a Studio One install on the same computer. That allows me to use it properly with a mouse and keyboard in the studio and with a touch-based interface on stage, which will be very handy for us.

All DAWs have this functionality AFAIK, you just need to read up on what MIDI CC controls control what things for your DAW of choice. Then, like previously mentioned, you just need a decent midi control app, such as MIDI Designer, TouchOSC, KnobLab, TB MIDI Stuff, etc. Even if a DAW doesn’t come with an app by default, there are plenty of control apps available.

[Trancit]

How many updates does Bitwig have per year on average?

2-3 ... (not counting the bug releases...)

[elnn]

So there's absolute no necessity to support CLAP because all DAWs offer other options, yet the users most popular DAWs and plugin devs are implementing it? If that doesn't sound like a win... We went from "in 2 weeks nobody will ever talk about CLAP anymore" and "fine, but the big players like FL Studio or Studio One will not adopt it", to a much quicker adoption rate than VST3. Including public statements about why they like CLAP, e.g. because it's a free and well thought format. Delicious. Kudos to Presonus.

I know you can't be talking about any of my statements, because here is what I've actually said about Studio One and CLAP, two and a half years ago:

I use Studio One, which also supports VST2, VST3, ARA, ARA2, AudioUnits, and it’s own proprietary plugins. PreSonus may even support CLAP at some point, since supporting every free and open format appears to be their MO.

And 2 years ago:

As I said, I do expect Studio One will add CLAP support at some point, maybe even as soon as version 6. But I don't expect any major plugin developers with extensive plugin bundles to release CLAP versions. What incentive do they have to do that when their plugins already work in 100% of DAWs?

And 6 months ago:

They are the only developer who takes an all-of-the-above approach and supports VST2,VST3, ARA, ARA2, and AU in their DAW. And all are rock solid in Studio One. I’m sure they’ll add CLAP support as well, as they’ve already worked with Bitwig to develop the DAWproject exchange format, (and Celemony to develop ARA.)

I've been extremely consistent in what I've said about CLAP and Studio One, and about CLAP in general. And it still holds true today. The issue isn't DAWs supporting it. It makes sense that they would (unless they're protecting their turf like Logic, Cubase, or Pro Tools.)

What doesn't make any financial sense is for major plugin developers to port their extensive back catalogs to CLAP, since every DAW out there already supports them, and that's not going to change. As an end user, that's what actually matters.

And it remains true that CLAP is non-essential because 100% of plugins, DAWs, and users are covered already without it. So address what I am actually saying, instead of attacking straw men.

you have a clue as to how plugins are ported to clap?

[EnGee]

A quick question, of a more general nature, if I may - which other DAWs come with a remote app like Studio One's? I've only just realised what a huge boost it is going to give us on stage, having confirmed that it can work with a Studio One install on the same computer. That allows me to use it properly with a mouse and keyboard in the studio and with a touch-based interface on stage, which will be very handy for us.

I have Logic Remote but haven’t touch it yet! Anyway, this is not an option for you because I know you don’t like Apple products.

In the past I bought a cheap android app that worked very well with Ableton Live. I forgot its name as I haven’t used it much. I will check my android tablet and get back to you.

I still believe that Live has the best support from 3rd party hardware and software companies in live performances. But from my limited experience I noticed that AB Live works better on Mac although v12 improved a lot the performance on Windows. Anyway, AB Live has much less bugs than S1 especially the midi and essential functions. Maybe the best is using the best of both worlds