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Medenka · Post by **Medenka** » Tue Nov 12, 2024 12:49 pm

What is the last version of The Glue that works on Windows 7?

JerGoertz · Post by **JerGoertz** » Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:41 pm

andy-cytomic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 5:41 pm I've spent the last couple of weeks doing a bit of R&D work getting the symbolic simplification engine updated taking care of some more difficult cases, and the results are stunning. I've applied these to The Scream with excellent results, making it lower cpu and more robust than before. After another couple videos it's time to begin work on The Glue v2, very exciting! Thanks for hanging in there everyone.

What is this "symbolic simplification engine"?

andy-cytomic · Post by **andy-cytomic** » Wed Nov 13, 2024 1:09 am

Medenka wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 12:49 pm What is the last version of The Glue that works on Windows 7?

andy-cytomic · Post by **andy-cytomic** » Wed Nov 13, 2024 1:41 am

JerGoertz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:41 pm What is this "symbolic simplification engine"?

All Cytomic core analog modelling DSP is handled by an automated symbolic circuit solver and optimised code generator that uses symbolic expressions throughout. This way expressions can be simplified by standard algebraic rules, which is essential to automate optimisations. For example

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a*b + a*c -> a*(b + c)

and you just saved one multiply. These simplifications, along with working out which bits can be pre-computed, add up to lots of savings on cpu. This makes it possible for Cytomic to do in depth and detailed circuit models but still be reasonable on the cpu.

The rabbit hole goes a lot deeper, but that gives you the general idea. For more info you can check out the technical papers section of the Cytomic web page, in particular there is an Audio Developer Conference (ADC) talk I gave linked at the top of the page called "From Circuit to Code: Under the Hood of Analog Modelling" -

https://cytomic.com/technical-papers/

Writetomichael · Post by **Writetomichael** » Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:33 pm

andy-cytomic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 1:41 am
JerGoertz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:41 pm What is this "symbolic simplification engine"?
All Cytomic core analog modelling DSP is handled by an automated symbolic circuit solver and optimised code generator that uses symbolic expressions throughout. This way expressions can be simplified by standard algebraic rules, which is essential to automate optimisations. For example
Code: Select all
a*b + a*c -> a*(b + c)
and you just saved one multiply. These simplifications, along with working out which bits can be pre-computed, add up to lots of savings on cpu. This makes it possible for Cytomic to do in depth and detailed circuit models but still be reasonable on the cpu.

The rabbit hole goes a lot deeper, but that gives you the general idea. For more info you can check out the technical papers section of the Cytomic web page, in particular there is an Audio Developer Conference (ADC) talk I gave linked at the top of the page called "From Circuit to Code: Under the Hood of Analog Modelling" -

https://cytomic.com/technical-papers/

Hi Andy C, I love the ableton glue compressor that you guys made. Is your “the glue” a step up from that? If so, is it correct that a v2 is imminent?

Thanks

andy-cytomic · Post by **andy-cytomic** » Wed Nov 13, 2024 5:02 pm

Writetomichael wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:33 pm Hi Andy C, I love the ableton glue compressor that you guys made. Is your “the glue” a step up from that? If so, is it correct that a v2 is imminent?
Thanks

The core DSP in the Live version is identical to that of the plugin version, but the plugin offers higher quality oversampling and a few other features the Live version does not, including peak needle mode, and automatic switching to higher oversampling rates on render. The upcoming Glue v2 will offer an HD version which will not be in Live, and will be a free update for those that currently bought The Glue without discount from Cytomic directly. I have no idea when The Glue v2 will be ready, so if you want the HD mode specifically then I recommend waiting until there is a release ready to try.

For The Glue v2 I'm building a kit version from DIY-RE so I can measure each component before soldering it together, which will save some time and guesswork later on in matching component values. I'll post progress along the way, so there will be plenty of news about when things are getting closer to release.

jtsterays · Post by **jtsterays** » Wed Nov 13, 2024 5:35 pm

andy-cytomic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 5:02 pm
Writetomichael wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:33 pm Hi Andy C, I love the ableton glue compressor that you guys made. Is your “the glue” a step up from that? If so, is it correct that a v2 is imminent?
Thanks
The core DSP in the Live version is identical to that of the plugin version, but the plugin offers higher quality oversampling and a few other features the Live version does not, including peak needle mode, and automatic switching to higher oversampling rates on render. The upcoming Glue v2 will offer an HD version which will not be in Live, and will be a free update for those that currently bought The Glue without discount from Cytomic directly. I have no idea when The Glue v2 will be ready, so if you want the HD mode specifically then I recommend waiting until there is a release ready to try.

For The Glue v2 I'm building a kit version from DIY-RE so I can measure each component before soldering it together, which will save some time and guesswork later on in matching component values. I'll post progress along the way, so there will be plenty of news about when things are getting closer to release.

Will you add the Mono SC button from the DIYRE's?

JerGoertz · Post by **JerGoertz** » Wed Nov 13, 2024 5:56 pm

andy-cytomic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 1:41 am
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Interesting!

andy-cytomic · Post by **andy-cytomic** » Wed Nov 13, 2024 6:28 pm

jtsterays wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 5:35 pm Will you add the Mono SC button from the DIYRE's?

No, I won't add that, but there will be a dual mono to stereo linked stepped knob to change how things operate. If you want to sum a stereo signal to mono, and then send that to the external sidechain input of The Glue you can reproduce the GYRAF version, which saved money by only having a single sidechain ratio shaper and amp. If you sum a stereo signal to mono then you can miss peaks due to phase cancellation, so it's not ideal for a compressor to behave this way.

Winstontaneous · Post by **Winstontaneous** » Wed Nov 13, 2024 11:23 pm

andy-cytomic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 5:02 pm
Writetomichael wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:33 pm Hi Andy C, I love the ableton glue compressor that you guys made. Is your “the glue” a step up from that? If so, is it correct that a v2 is imminent?
Thanks
For The Glue v2 I'm building a kit version from DIY-RE so I can measure each component before soldering it together, which will save some time and guesswork later on in matching component values. I'll post progress along the way, so there will be plenty of news about when things are getting closer to release.

Thanks for doing what you do, and so thoughtfully and thoroughly! Your stuff (from FXPansion to Ableton and Cytomic) has always stood out from the rest.

Reading about the solver was interesting, will have to check out the paper you linked.

DCrown · Post by **DCrown** » Thu Nov 28, 2024 9:16 am

So old and still so good

Cytomic 'The Glue' Compressor