What's with all this T2 ranting anyway??

[audiobot202]

From the point of view of a new user who likes Tracktion and has never known it to be anywhere other than Mackie, I'm fully expecting T2 to be compatible with Mackie hardware. Is that not obvious to people? Why else do you think they wanted it in their arsenal? They're looking for a solid sequencer to market to their users. Digital audio is hot property right now which is also why Sony bought out Sonic Foundry. I had my reservations when Adobe bought out Syntrillium, but honestly, Adobe Audition is a good piece of software. Adobe just enhanced what was already there. Is Mackie hardware so bad all of a sudden?

I guess I can understand if you've followed a piece of software slavishly from its humble origins to see it in the hands of a bigger company, but heck, that happens to a lot of software. It's not our software anyway. We use it and pay for licenses to use it creatively, but we don't write it. This is not open source software we're using. They can do what they want with it. If they're smart they keep their users, if not, we go elsewhere and they lose.

Perhaps being with Mackie is a great marketing opportunity? Perhaps it will increase the life of Tracktion? There may be good things about this as well. I've read here lately so many bad things, but the truth is, even if the feature set was frozen 2 bloody months ago...we still don't know all of the tweaks to the new version ! I think that much is pretty clear.

I don't own any Mackie gear myself and may never...so those parts of Tracktion may be unusable for me, but even considering that, there are at least a few other features (GUI enhancements, 64 bit sound quality) that pique the interest and are not company related.

If, in the future, Tracktion was to become only for Mackie hardware and you couldn't use it with one of their mixing desks, then yes, it would be crap. But, I've seen no indication so far that this will be the case. As far as I can tell, it will be like Tracktion now but with some new features to appeal to hardware users and some bug fixes and maybe a few extras thrown in.

Steve

[hello1234]

I guess I can understand if you've followed a piece of software slavishly from its humble origins to see it in the hands of a bigger company, but heck, that happens to a lot of software. It's not our software anyway.

Hun?

Perhaps being with Mackie is a great marketing opportunity? Perhaps it will increase the life of Tracktion?
Steve

I don't know about that, all I know is I see a biiiigggg bun so far.

WHERE'S THE BEEF?

[rpc9943]

adobe did the same thing, except worse. Now its being marketed as some wedding video music loop thing.

RonC

[hello1234]

"I don't think there's anybody in there"

"well, it is an awfully big bun"

[audiobot202]

adobe did the same thing, except worse. Now its being marketed as some wedding video music loop thing.

RonC

Do you use Audition? Except for the name, it's a fine piece of software. Not much different to Cool Edit as it used to be. They can market it any way they want, but at the end of the day it's excellent software.

I guess I can understand if you've followed a piece of software slavishly from its humble origins to see it in the hands of a bigger company, but heck, that happens to a lot of software. It's not our software anyway.


Hun?

audiobot202 wrote:

Perhaps being with Mackie is a great marketing opportunity? Perhaps it will increase the life of Tracktion?
Steve


I don't know about that, all I know is I see a biiiigggg bun so far.

WHERE'S THE BEEF?

I mean...if you're a long time Tracktion user and you've seen it evolve from a home studio to a Mackie marketed thing, you're most likely disappointed but it happens all the time in business. Big companies take over the operations of smaller ones and do things differently.
If it turns out to be crap, then I'll move onto something else. It's just a piece of software. There are alternatives.
But it's all speculative at this stage. You say 'Where's the beef?'...dude, you already have the beef. The beef is the sequencer itself. If they improve it, it will just be a better grade of beef. If they don't, then that's just life. And if you don't care for it, like a lot of people waiting for upgrades find (look at all the disapppinted Live 4 users) you can keep on using version 1 instead.
Has anyone ever speculated on why Jules went with Mackie in the first place? Perhaps he had good reasons to do so. We all have our motivations. Software isn't necessarily written for a specific sect of fans.

Just relax and we'll see what happens. Then we can make decisions based on the actual product.

Steve

[Lunch Money]

I'm with you, audiobot. While the Mackie hardware support isn't something I need, I definitely see the reasoning behind including it (you'd have to be a lump not to). From most points of view, Mackie hardware is exceptional quality and value, so it seems strange to me that people would backlash against it just because their 'pet' software is including support. Other sequencers feature Mackie-specific support already, too, for Pete's sakes.

Ron-- Audition is wonderful software, so I don't know what you're talking about....

[nuisance sonore]

Steve, if you read this forum for a while, you will notice that the ranting, complaining and general negativity come from the same bunch of peoples; thoses are an extremely small percentage of Tracktion users, albeit maybe the most vocal, while the rest of us are either happy with T and are delighted of the upcoming upgrade, or moved on to other sequencer.

[Lunch Money]

Software isn't necessarily written for a specific sect of fans.

This is the major thing I think about over and over, but even when I post it, it doesn't 'sink in' to people. They don't understand that here at KvR we're in a unique and specific but relatively small pocket of the world. Sure, it's one of the best-known music forums on the internet, but it's not the only one. Plus, there are thousands upon thousands of computer musicians out there who have never signed up for a forum of ANY kind, ever.

We are definitely a specific group of clients, and I like to think we're an important one to Jules; however, we're not the ONLY one and nor are we the largest one.

Jules has always wanted global domination. I don't think that could happen without the marketing power of a larger company, and nor could it happen by always catering to this particular little sect of Tracktioneers. I'm still happy and excited that he made the decision to partner up with Mackie, and I have always been thrilled with the attention, respect, and care that Beno has given us since the pairing.

Greg

[audiobot202]

I'm with you, audiobot. While the Mackie hardware support isn't something I need, I definitely see the reasoning behind including it (you'd have to be a lump not to). From most points of view, Mackie hardware is exceptional quality and value, so it seems strange to me that people would backlash against it just because their 'pet' software is including support. Other sequencers feature Mackie-specific support already, too, for Pete's sakes.

Ron-- Audition is wonderful software, so I don't know what you're talking about....

Exactly. From everything I've heard Mackie is top notch hardware. And like you say, plenty of other big name sequencers offer support for mixing desks and whatnot. There are features I don't use now in Tracktion, so a few more are hardly going to ruin things.

And yes, Audition is great. Even wedding organisers have to edit in something

[audiobot202]

Steve, if you read this forum for a while, you will notice that the ranting, complaining and general negativity come from the same bunch of peoples; thoses are an extremely small percentage of Tracktion users, albeit maybe the most vocal, while the rest of us are either happy with T and are delighted of the upcoming upgrade, or moved on to other sequencer.

I have been noticing an awful lot of ranting and raving and negativity here ! I like the forums though It's entertaining at least.
There are some people who seem obsessed with the upgrade.

[audiobot202]

This is the major thing I think about over and over, but even when I post it, it doesn't 'sink in' to people. They don't understand that here at KvR we're in a unique and specific but relatively small pocket of the world. Sure, it's one of the best-known music forums on the internet, but it's not the only one. Plus, there are thousands upon thousands of computer musicians out there who have never signed up for a forum of ANY kind, ever.

Absolutely right. Every forum I've ever been into has been the same. But the reality is that it's a very small part of the market.

[TheWall]

I always love the first part of any triology, be it The God Father or The Matrix. Can't help but love the starting of a legend and only that...

It's still too early to form a final opinion on T2 though...

[rpc9943]

i think its pretty fun reading the rants about t2. its fun! cmon guys its all in good favor, at least on my end

RONC

[haydxn]

ron you're becoming a complete asshole.

[apart from anything else we know that you're an enthusiastic audition user, so WTF IS THE POINT IN YOUR ABOVE COMMENT?]

some people in here are really pissing me off lately with constant needless fruitless and downright pathetic whining.

everyone, gather round! S T F U !

[rpc9943]

stfu, youre the asshole for calling me it, loosen up man it's just a hype fest we're all having fun

RonC