SGA Code RED Apple Silicon

[jamcat]

When will Code RED / free enter the current decade and support Apple Silicon?

Maybe get your existing product catalog up to code before you ask people to trust you enough to purchase new stuff?

[SGA]

When will Code RED / free enter the current decade and support Apple Silicon?

You have asked that question number of times already. The answer was, is, and will be: it is on our roadmap.
We do not discuss future developments.

Maybe get your existing product catalog up to code before you ask people to trust you enough to purchase new stuff?

We have demo products so people, who don’t trust us, can try the product on their own system before buying.

[jamcat]

The answer was, is, and will be: it is on our roadmap.
We do not discuss future developments.

That answer is better than nothing. But it sounds like you haven’t even started yet. Apple Silicon has been around for 5 years now.

We have demo products so people, who don’t trust us, can try the product on their own system before buying.

The trust issue you’ve created is regarding your willingness/ability to support your products in the future, in a timely manner. Again, Apple Silicon has been around for 5 years now. Everyone else ported their considerably larger catalogues years ago. You have relatively few plugins and have only managed to get a couple of them to Apple Silicon so far. In 5 years. This has created a trust deficit for your company.

[SGA]

The answer was, is, and will be: it is on our roadmap.
We do not discuss future developments.

That answer is better than nothing. But it sounds like you haven’t even started yet. Apple Silicon has been around for 5 years now.

We have demo products so people, who don’t trust us, can try the product on their own system before buying.

The trust issue you’ve created is regarding your willingness/ability to support your products in the future, in a timely manner. Again, Apple Silicon has been around for 5 years now. Everyone else ported their considerably larger catalogues years ago. You have relatively few plugins and have only managed to get a couple of them to Apple Silicon so far. In 5 years. This has created a trust deficit for your company.

Please, stop the harassment. Your random musings and accusations are unfounded and incorrect. Furthermore they, unjustly, put us in bad light. This is borderline slanderous.
It's OK to not like our products. Harassing us is not.
This thread is about our plugin, Eclipse; not your soap box. If you have questions about Eclipse, we will gladly answer them here.

[jamcat]

The answer was, is, and will be: it is on our roadmap.
We do not discuss future developments.

That answer is better than nothing. But it sounds like you haven’t even started yet. Apple Silicon has been around for 5 years now.

We have demo products so people, who don’t trust us, can try the product on their own system before buying.

The trust issue you’ve created is regarding your willingness/ability to support your products in the future, in a timely manner. Again, Apple Silicon has been around for 5 years now. Everyone else ported their considerably larger catalogues years ago. You have relatively few plugins and have only managed to get a couple of them to Apple Silicon so far. In 5 years. This has created a trust deficit for your company.

Please, stop the harassment. Your random musings and accusations are unfounded and incorrect. Furthermore they, unjustly, put us in bad light. This is borderline slanderous.
It's OK to not like our products. Harassing us is not.
This thread is about our plugin, Eclipse; not your soap box. If you have questions about Eclipse, we will gladly answer them here.

What have I said that is incorrect?
Please correct anything that I have said that isn't.

Also, I never said I don't like your products.
The problem is that I can no longer use your products that I own. See above.

Now, am I mad about that? You tell me how you would feel in my position. Especially seeing new products being released for sale while the old ones you already sold are left to wither.

[careyletendre]

The problem is that I can no longer use your products that I own.

SGA doesn't owe you anything. They are under no obligation to future-proof their products.

[jamcat]

They are under no obligation to future-proof their products.

Yep. And that's why I won't buy anything new from them now.

[SGA]

The problem is that I can no longer use your products that I own. See above.

 

Actually you can. CodeRed runs just fine in Rosetta 2. See attached image of CodeRed in Live 12 on
an Apple Silicon MBP. 

[jens]

They are under no obligation to future-proof their products.

Yep. And that's why I won't buy anything new from them now.

Which is perfectly fine in and of itself - making this kind of stink about it however is not.

And to be frank I (and I bet a whole lot of others here) am really sick and tired of reading these kind of rants from entitled Apple zealots. Why don't you direct some of your angst at the two parties responsible for your unbearable misery? (that would be your worshipped deity Apple and your own unholy self.)

If I decide tomorrow to get one of these new shiny Snapdragon X machines, would I have any right to pester and harrass developers over not supporting the new plattform quickly enough in the future?

I wouldn't - not at all. What's the difference here? Yes, this: I can decide to stick with X86 for as long as I want to in any foreseeable future. As an Apple user however you can't.
Who is responsible for this lack of choice? Yes, that's right: It's Apple and your meagre self alone (because you knew/know it and freely chose/choose to go along with it anyway).

A proper reply from plugin developers to your question "when" would imo be:

"Never - you don't deserve our attention and we can't get rid of you lot soon enough. Be our guest to never purchase from us ever again - we'd consider that success."

Just shut the f**k up - will ya? No, of course you won't.

[comfortablynick]

Actually you can. CodeRed runs just fine in Rosetta 2. See attached image of CodeRed in Live 12 on
an Apple Silicon MBP.

Yeah, Intel stuff with work with Rosetta but most of us don't use it and want to run everything natively. I don't think it's installed on my machine, but I'm not sure. All of my other plugins went native years ago with a couple of other exceptions I can think of (Boz Bark of Dog, UBK-1).

[jamcat]

Jens, first of all I didn't start this thread.
I originally had replied to SGA in their latest thread promoting yet another new product while their older products continue to go neglected. I asked a reasonable question.

But SGA cried about it, and so a moderator split this off into its own thread.
Imagine if Waves or IK Multimedia was so fragile and thin-skinned that they did that too. KVR would be nothing but Waves and IK Multimedia complaint threads.

entitled Apple zealots

You mean "the audio industry"?

A proper reply from plugin developers to your question "when" would imo be:

"Never - you don't deserve our attention and we can't get rid of you lot soon enough. Be our guest to never purchase from us ever again - we'd consider that success."

If they had said "never" from the start, instead of "it's on our roadmap" then there wouldn't be a problem now, would there?

The problem is they already said long ago that Apple Silicon ports were coming. They said that so people would continue purchasing their existing catalogue and maintain sales. I got plugins because I was told they would be supported. So if their objective was to trick people into buying their products under false pretenses and take the money and run, then yes, I guess they would consider that success.

[plexuss]

entitled Apple zealots

You mean "the audio industry"?

You didnt know the risks and constraints with your system purchase decision before buying? That's on you. If you did, then youa re baking up the wrong tree: complain to Apple. Dev's have no obligation to maintain their software. That's a risk to all of us, that we should all be aware. You seem to want more than the indusry can offer. This isn't Home Depot. It's software. And computers. You mean you havent learned how to navigate all this in all this time? Odd.

[jamcat]

Actually you can. CodeRed runs just fine in Rosetta 2.

That is not an adequate substitute for the native Apple Silicon version that was promised.

entitled Apple zealots

You mean "the audio industry"?

You didnt know the risks and constraints with your system purchase decision before buying? That's on you. If you did, then youa re baking up the wrong tree: complain to Apple. Dev's have no obligation to maintain their software. That's a risk to all of us, that we should all be aware. You seem to want more than the indusry can offer. This isn't Home Depot. It's software. And computers. You mean you havent learned how to navigate all this in all this time? Odd.

Again, the issue here is that decisions were made and money was spent based on promises made to maintain the software.

Do I understand you correctly that what you're saying when it comes to SGA is it's "buyer beware"?

[billinder33]

Actually you can. CodeRed runs just fine in Rosetta 2.

That is not an adequate substitute for the native Apple Silicon version that was promised.

Why not?

All us early Apple Silicone adopters were running some percentage of their plugins via Rosetta, mostly without issue. I ran tons of plugins via Rosetta back then and only one of them had an issue, and even that was intermittent. The overly dramatic Rosetta hand wringing is absurd.

[SGA]

Actually you can. CodeRed runs just fine in Rosetta 2.

That is not an adequate substitute for the native Apple Silicon version that was promised.

entitled Apple zealots

You mean "the audio industry"?

You didnt know the risks and constraints with your system purchase decision before buying? That's on you. If you did, then youa re baking up the wrong tree: complain to Apple. Dev's have no obligation to maintain their software. That's a risk to all of us, that we should all be aware. You seem to want more than the indusry can offer. This isn't Home Depot. It's software. And computers. You mean you havent learned how to navigate all this in all this time? Odd.

Again, the issue here is that decisions were made and money was spent based on promises made to maintain the software.

Do I understand you correctly that what you're saying when it comes to SGA is it's "buyer beware"?

You were not promised anything by us. If you have a proof of us promising you anything then provide it. Otherwise we expect an apology from you and for you to stop these baseless accusations.