UAD still worth it?

[Uncle E]

Wait for Black Friday and Cyber Monday. There are a couple of things happening that might work out for you.

[martinjuenke]

Wait for Black Friday and Cyber Monday. There are a couple of things happening that might work out for you.

A well said word to end the conflict.
Let there be hope!

[LoveEnigma18]

FYI, there are OS and DAW compatibility updates available for all but the latest plugins (as they would already have) in the UA Connect app.

[_leras]

They do not care about existing customers because it is not imbedded within their business model, their business model is as clear as water. Now let’s say that UAD would portray them selfs as their business model from the beginning I would not purchase anything from them, I would respect that. Instead they do not, they paint half a picture of something only for the customer to find out than you can’t do anything about it.

I don't think this is correct at all. As a long time UAD user I've been offered many great deals by them over the years. And they are offering great deals right now as well. There's not too much they can do for me, I don't need more DSP and I pretty much have nearly all of their plug ins I want, and they are still giving me a pretty good deal on completing/purchasing bundles to complete.

I'm not sure new users have much to argue aboutm UA have been putting out some outrageously good plug in packages and very low prices. Yes some plugins are a bit older but they all sound great.

Sure their business model has had to change as they will no longer sell DSP cards, but that just means great deals for people.

KVR has always had some weird anti UAD vibes but that is really due to most kvr people not running them until recently. Quite amusing seeing the sentiment change once people have used them.

[TmS1]

They do not care about existing customers because it is not imbedded within their business model, their business model is as clear as water. Now let’s say that UAD would portray them selfs as their business model from the beginning I would not purchase anything from them, I would respect that. Instead they do not, they paint half a picture of something only for the customer to find out than you can’t do anything about it.

I don't think this is correct at all. As a long time UAD user I've been offered many great deals by them over the years. And they are offering great deals right now as well. There's not too much they can do for me, I don't need more DSP and I pretty much have nearly all of their plug ins I want, and they are still giving me a pretty good deal on completing/purchasing bundles to complete.

I'm not sure new users have much to argue aboutm UA have been putting out some outrageously good plug in packages and very low prices. Yes some plugins are a bit older but they all sound great.

Sure their business model has had to change as they will no longer sell DSP cards, but that just means great deals for people.

KVR has always had some weird anti UAD vibes but that is really due to most kvr people not running them until recently. Quite amusing seeing the sentiment change once people have used them.

Sorry, couldn’t make any sense of what you said. All overall the place. You love them so I should too regardless of the facts? You no longer need DSP because of what I said which has contributed to their latest change in their business model, also ”greater deals” have been washing ashore because of what I said along with trying to compete for the same customers attention. Enligheten me where is the disagreement?

[TmS1]

Sorry about the double post.

[bmanic]

It’s a question of moral and ethics. Do they have any if they do not care? Then I think lots of people should be banned here as well.

Isn't it a bit ironic that YOU of all people talk about moral and ethics? From your myriad of posts it's pretty damn obvious that you don't possess much of those things yourself.

You hypocrite.

[TmS1]

It’s a question of moral and ethics. Do they have any if they do not care? Then I think lots of people should be banned here as well.

Isn't it a bit ironic that YOU of all people talk about moral and ethics? From your myriad of posts it's pretty damn obvious that you don't possess much of those things yourself.

You hypocrite.

Based on what exactly?

[TMaudio]

Thats cool, doesn’t take from the fact that they have underlying intentions behind every action and that only seems to be selling regardless of the end user experience.

Sooo, you are telling us, a business wants to make money?????

I am telling you what’s their business strategy to make money on customers, which is based on customers accommodating to their business instead of being the other way around. Every serious software developer that sell a license permits the customer to get sell their unused licenses no matter the cause. UAD on the other way they rather sell you multiple license of the same software again customer adapting to their business model and you won’t be able to sell these licenses, that could only be done if you buy their hardware and sell such licenses along with it. which i suppose you know, you are just not friends with common sense. its as clear as water what their business is built upon in any example made at this point

NO business accommodates customers. ALL businesses accommodate themselves, to remain a business. BIG surprise. In other words, different businesses will run differently, depending on how they see fit. All your talk suggests as long as businesses accommodate you, there is no "philosophical" discussion to be had. WRONG. So I can only tell you, if you don't like how they do business, don't bother with them. Get something else. Find a company that you erroneously believe are catering to your every need. Just because you are off to never, never land doesn't mean your delusion should be imparted on what reality supposed to be. It is all as it should be. Your interpretation draws the wrong conclusion.

[TmS1]

Thats cool, doesn’t take from the fact that they have underlying intentions behind every action and that only seems to be selling regardless of the end user experience.

Sooo, you are telling us, a business wants to make money?????

I am telling you what’s their business strategy to make money on customers, which is based on customers accommodating to their business instead of being the other way around. Every serious software developer that sell a license permits the customer to get sell their unused licenses no matter the cause. UAD on the other way they rather sell you multiple license of the same software again customer adapting to their business model and you won’t be able to sell these licenses, that could only be done if you buy their hardware and sell such licenses along with it. which i suppose you know, you are just not friends with common sense. its as clear as water what their business is built upon in any example made at this point

NO business accommodates customers. ALL businesses accommodate themselves, to remain a business. BIG surprise. In other words, different businesses will run differently, depending on how they see fit. All your talk suggests as long as businesses accommodate you, there is no "philosophical" discussion to be had. WRONG. So I can only tell you, if you don't like how they do business, don't bother with them. Get something else. Find a company that you erroneously believe are catering to your every need. Just because you are off to never, never land doesn't mean your delusion should be imparted on what reality supposed to be. It is all as it should be. Your interpretation draws the wrong conclusion.

Oh, let me guess you get butterflies in your tummy when you hear UAD? As long as you are telling me how you are doing business I have an option to decide. It’s fair, if you are misleading/ deceiving. Then you have a problem. Before I came into this discussion there was over 1.400 engagement posts in this topic, It’s clearly something wrong. Not all were critics but most of the great feedback was “ omg, their emulations sound amazing!!” What about the other things regarding other areas about the business? No! They are great!!!

No philosophical or emotional arguments stand a chance against the facts. Another brick in the wall.

[TmS1]

I was UAD sceptic until i tried after it went Native. Plugins are great, but so are non-uad, just UAD are better (Pultec for example).

The NoiseAsh Pultecs (“Rule Tec”) are just as good as UAD.

I doubt very much that this is true. I wouldn’t even be sure they’d match the v1 of the UAD pultec.

The UAD ones are good to the level I don’t think I need to try any others.

Seems I was right. What are the odds?

[elxsound]

This is crazy the conversation carried on so long...

I don't like their business practices, and I think they could have done a better job when they first entered the Native market. They kept undercutting recent buyers, which was a shitty experience.

I still buy occasionally as it suits my needs, and yeah, they're a business looking to capitalize on what they can to keep earning money.

Is there anything to gain by trying to change anyone's opinion?

[TMaudio]

Thats cool, doesn’t take from the fact that they have underlying intentions behind every action and that only seems to be selling regardless of the end user experience.

Sooo, you are telling us, a business wants to make money?????

I am telling you what’s their business strategy to make money on customers, which is based on customers accommodating to their business instead of being the other way around. Every serious software developer that sell a license permits the customer to get sell their unused licenses no matter the cause. UAD on the other way they rather sell you multiple license of the same software again customer adapting to their business model and you won’t be able to sell these licenses, that could only be done if you buy their hardware and sell such licenses along with it. which i suppose you know, you are just not friends with common sense. its as clear as water what their business is built upon in any example made at this point

NO business accommodates customers. ALL businesses accommodate themselves, to remain a business. BIG surprise. In other words, different businesses will run differently, depending on how they see fit. All your talk suggests as long as businesses accommodate you, there is no "philosophical" discussion to be had. WRONG. So I can only tell you, if you don't like how they do business, don't bother with them. Get something else. Find a company that you erroneously believe are catering to your every need. Just because you are off to never, never land doesn't mean your delusion should be imparted on what reality supposed to be. It is all as it should be. Your interpretation draws the wrong conclusion.

Oh, let me guess you get butterflies in your tummy when you hear UAD? As long as you are telling me how you are doing business I have an option to decide. It’s fair, if you are misleading/ deceiving. Then you have a problem. Before I came into this discussion there was over 1.400 engagement posts in this topic, It’s clearly something wrong. Not all were critics but most of the great feedback was “ omg, their emulations sound amazing!!” What about the other things regarding other areas about the business? No! They are great!!!

No philosophical or emotional arguments stand a chance against the facts. Another brick in the wall.

Hahah no! Do you read what you write before you post it? YOU are doing the very thing you're pointing out. That's the idea, you are irrevocably emotional. I'm not talking about business practices. I am talking about looking elsewhere if you think "it's not fair." You have a choice, just as businesses have their choice. What don't you understand? That's a rhetorical question by the way, I don't need any more of your irrelevant explanations. lol.

[_leras]

Sorry, couldn’t make any sense of what you said. All overall the place. You love them so I should too regardless of the facts? You no longer need DSP because of what I said which has contributed to their latest change in their business model, also ”greater deals” have been washing ashore because of what I said along with trying to compete for the same customers attention. Enligheten me where is the disagreement?

Right... You struggle with comprehension, perhaps English is not your first language.

I just said they make great plug ins and have offered many great deals over the years up till and including their current ones.

What's not to like?

[_leras]

I doubt very much that this is true. I wouldn’t even be sure they’d match the v1 of the UAD pultec.

The UAD ones are good to the level I don’t think I need to try any others.

Seems I was right. What are the odds?

Why, what did you say that was correct?

This is a good example. The first UAD pultec still sound superb today, the version 2 was a good improvement.

I don't know who Noiseash are, and don't have time to demo every single EQ on the market. And why would I test a pultec when I am very happy with the pultecs from UAD?

I do have plug ins from many other companies, but UAD are my first port of call for nearly everything as they sound best. I only need other plug ins to fill in the gaps, or to offer tonal differences (EQ, saturation).

Trying to make a point about a pultec, LA2A, 1176 etc seems pointless. UAD have had such good emulations of these for years, that why would any UAD customer feel the need to switch to a different version of these, IF there were any real improvements it would be incremental at best.