Standard Clip vs Gold Clip Schwabe?

[xerix]

Hey guys is SIRAudio Standard Clip better or Gold Clip?
also if anyone has Gold Clip how is the CPU on it?

Its for master bus, Clipping into a limiter [Clip -> Pro L2]

[zeep]

Standarclip has hardclipping and softclipping and it’s great.
Goldclip emulates Lavry gold converter softclipping, a particular sought after sound.

[dionenoid]

Standardclip's 'softclip pro' mode is also Lavry Gold clipping. Plus it has more and better oversampling options, kinda important when using clippers.

Don't waste your money on Goldclip.

[woodsdenis]

Why not demo Goldclip and find out for your self ? There is a difference, whether its worth it or not ?

[DNAudio]

OP, if you're concerned about CPU usage, I do recommend apShaper instead of either as it uses a technique known as antiderivative anti-aliasing/ADAA which significantly reduces aliasing at a fraction of the processing cost.

The CPU usage of my DAW with StandardClip was 42%, with apShaper it was 4%, a sizeable difference. 8x oversampling with apShaper reduces the aliasing even further for not that much extra CPU usage, I just set it at 4x to show its effectiveness compared to StandardClip. Now, it doesn't have the "box tones" or the "compressor, kind of, maybe" of Gold Clip, but it can do a lot with modulation & the various saturation/distortion modes, which include wavefolding & bitcrushing. Hope this peaks your curiosity, Softube is another option with this technology included, though not as versatile.

[pandafish]

OP, if you're concerned about CPU usage, I do recommend apShaper instead of either as it uses a technique known as antiderivative anti-aliasing/ADAA which significantly reduces aliasing at a fraction of the processing cost.

Cool post, thank you! I own apShaper but have never used it for this purpose, appreciate the knowledge.

[xerix]

Standardclip's 'softclip pro' mode is also Lavry Gold clipping. Plus it has more and better oversampling options, kinda important when using clippers.

Don't waste your money on Goldclip.

Thank you! Glad I saw this in time as I was about to fork out $$ before black Friday sale .
I'll just stick to my standard clip

[zeep]

Standardclip's 'softclip pro' mode is also Lavry Gold clipping. Plus it has more and better oversampling options, kinda important when using clippers.

Don't waste your money on Goldclip.

Out of interest, where does this statement come from? Haven't seen any null test to prove this.

[xerix]

Ok so Ive demoed it and can confirm its definitely not worth the $200 and in fact standard clip did a way better result on all my tests. if anything it had a similar result to my izotope ozone 10 but that was with stabilizer chopping off the highs dynamically.
yeah its gonna be a no for me, you were right about not wasting money it.

[bjornist]

OP, if you're concerned about CPU usage, I do recommend apShaper instead of either as it uses a technique known as antiderivative anti-aliasing/ADAA which significantly reduces aliasing at a fraction of the processing cost.

Just want to add that Gold Clip does also use ADAA, as well. It's on the website and in marketing materials.

[dionenoid]

Standardclip's 'softclip pro' mode is also Lavry Gold clipping. Plus it has more and better oversampling options, kinda important when using clippers.

Don't waste your money on Goldclip.

Out of interest, where does this statement come from? Haven't seen any null test to prove this.

It's explained in the Standardclip manual :

The Soft Clip Pro mode has a slightly different characteristic. It compresses a dynamic range by half. A line in the function diagram shows the level at which the saturation begins. Dynamic integrity is maintained below this threshold.

Which is exactly the same thing as described by Lavry themselves here :
https://www.lavryengineering.com/wiki/i ... saturation

"3dB" which has an effective threshold of "-6dBFS" and increases the level of signals below this threshold by 3dB

So, SC Softclip Pro Mode at 25% is identical to Lavry Gold at the 3db setting, and at 50% it's identical to 6db.

The process is also nicely explained in this vid :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b0TfgnpWzo

[DNAudio]

OP, if you're concerned about CPU usage, I do recommend apShaper instead of either as it uses a technique known as antiderivative anti-aliasing/ADAA which significantly reduces aliasing at a fraction of the processing cost.

Just want to add that Gold Clip does also use ADAA, as well. It's on the website and in marketing materials.

Wasn't aware of this, thanks!
Edit: I actually can't find this info anywhere. Quick Ctrl+F of the manual for ADAA or even just "Anti" doesn't yield results. Where did you find this info?

[Erik_Lucas]

OP, if you're concerned about CPU usage, I do recommend apShaper instead of either as it uses a technique known as antiderivative anti-aliasing/ADAA which significantly reduces aliasing at a fraction of the processing cost.

Just want to add that Gold Clip does also use ADAA, as well. It's on the website and in marketing materials.

Wasn't aware of this, thanks!
Edit: I actually can't find this info anywhere. Quick Ctrl+F of the manual for ADAA or even just "Anti" doesn't yield results. Where did you find this info?

https://www.apulsoft.ch/blog/tanh-antiderivatives/

[DNAudio]

OP, if you're concerned about CPU usage, I do recommend apShaper instead of either as it uses a technique known as antiderivative anti-aliasing/ADAA which significantly reduces aliasing at a fraction of the processing cost.

Just want to add that Gold Clip does also use ADAA, as well. It's on the website and in marketing materials.

Wasn't aware of this, thanks!
Edit: I actually can't find this info anywhere. Quick Ctrl+F of the manual for ADAA or even just "Anti" doesn't yield results. Where did you find this info?

https://www.apulsoft.ch/blog/tanh-antiderivatives/

Maybe you should re-read my original post...xD
I knew apShaper used ADAA, that's the main reason I recommended it over Gold Clip or StandardClip for CPU efficient mastering clipping.

[xerix]

My favourites at this stage would be;
- standard clip
- sonnox inflator [although you need to be always connected to internet which is annoying]
- newfangled saturate
- NFuse [hybrid of neve & SSL Fusion]
- Pro L2

For individual channels strips these are good to use also;
- OTT
- UAD Oxide
- Decapitation
- Saturn 2
- JST Clip


Clearest out of all would have to be StandardClip. I have heard about flatline 2 & kclip 3 but can't imagine them being better than standard clip