Rappers Voice ducks only special frequency range not the

[kritikon]

Regarding Space Boy...is it fairly easy to use? I mean do I just drop an instance in each channel it automatically does it's thing? Or do I have to have a good knowledge of equalization?

I haven't use it yet, but...you want instructions? Do what I do...just drop it in and twiddle knobs until something happens - eventually everything begins to make some sense that way.

[C00kie]

Blocking some frequencies on vocals... Isn't that what a de-esser is about? It flattens some letters that sound too strong. Seen it featured on some compressors, it is basically multi-band compression on higher frequencies.

Hope it helps...

[Igor 4000]

I haven't use it yet, but...you want instructions? Do what I do...just drop it in and twiddle knobs until something happens - eventually everything begins to make some sense that way.

I learned to use 90% of my plugins that way

[kritikon]

Blocking some frequencies on vocals... Isn't that what a de-esser is about? It flattens some letters that sound too strong. Seen it featured on some compressors, it is basically multi-band compression on higher frequencies.

A de-esser is a frequency conscious comp (single band) - originally in h/w form sidechained to an Eq to set the frequency. Within s/w de-essers tend to be set to only compress the higher frequencies - you don't get the choice to pull the frequency down below 4KHz or even higher, and the sidechain is written hardwired (as it were) so you can't reroute it to a separate Eq plugin. And it's a slightly different thing, in that to do what he wants, you'd have to be able to use 2 sidechain circuits simultaneously - 1 to set frequency and one to set the ducking trigger.

I suppose there's no reason why you couldn't set a multiband to do the same thing as a de-esser, but have it as a de-esser + de-plosiver + de-rumbler, but it still wouldn't be able to do the ducking.

I could do it with h/w...my 4 channel comp could be set up as 2 stereo comps but set in series...one sidechained to the frequency you want to duck, and the other as the ducker itself, but the signal passes through both sets of comps....I think that would work. That is still one of the benefits of some h/w...the flexibility. I've yet to see a multichannel s/w comp that has complete flexibility in it's routing (single, stereo, triple, quad, series, and any variation inbetween)...sidechains on each one that can be sent anywhere.
I'm sure it will happen - the call for sidechains etc seem to be finally being heard, but for the really complicated stuff, s/w is still mostly lagging behind.

[IIRs]

in that to do what he wants, you'd have to be able to use 2 sidechain circuits simultaneously - 1 to set frequency and one to set the ducking trigger.

not sure I follow you..?

I suppose there's no reason why you couldn't set a multiband to do the same thing as a de-esser, but have it as a de-esser + de-plosiver + de-rumbler,

You just pretty well described my Dynamic EQ I even made a de-ess preset for it..

Started work on a side-chain version btw, might get it finished over the weekend..

[kritikon]

kritikon wrote:
in that to do what he wants, you'd have to be able to use 2 sidechain circuits simultaneously - 1 to set frequency and one to set the ducking trigger.


not sure I follow you..?

A comp set to Eq on the sidechain uses up the sidechain to set the frequencies it's going to compress. In a way that will do most of what he wants...he could set the threshold to a similar one to where his trigger track peaks - but the point is that if he wants to use a drumtrack as the trigger, if the drums peak at, say -2dB on the kick, then he can set the compressor threshold at -2dB also. But the flaw with that is that wherever he plays the vocal track, it's always going to compress/ de-ess or whatever whenever it reaches -2dB. But he only wants the vocals compressed specifically when the drums are playing at the same time, not compressing when the drums aren't playing. So when the vocals are playing but the drums aren't, the vocals are still going to be compressed. A way around that would be to automate the compressor to switch off when the drums are off but the vocal is on. But it could also get quite difficult to set, as the level/recordings of your vocals and drums could be at completely different levels...

To leave the compressor on, it would need a second sidechain circuit that will only trigger from the drumtrack. 1 to do the frequency compression, and the second to trigger from the drums...but he can't because the sidechain is already used up with the Eq. And a straight forward sidechain set to trigger from the drumtrack to duck the vocals will duck the whole spectrum of the vocals...which is where he needs the second sidechain...catch 22.

You just pretty well described my Dynamic EQ I even made a de-ess preset for it..

Started work on a side-chain version btw, might get it finished over the weekend..

I'll have to check it out, sounds good.
I don't really know the workings of s/w compressers that well...I presume the Eq part of the plugin is brought into action by a side chain? Or is your Dynamic Eq not based on compressors?

[kritikon]

Hey, Jonnysun...I've just realised another way of doing it too. Check out Spaceboy anyway...it sounds very useful (I've just d/l'ed it for trial, and at that price it'd be silly not to have it)

Have you read the thread about Bluecat's Peak Meter plugin?

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... ab0163a2f7

You could tailor it to sidechained frequency-conscious compression/ducking.
1.Use Peak Meter to record the envelope of the output of the trigger track.
2.Insert an Eq plugin of choice into the track you want ducked. If it's the whole backing song you want ducked, then simply route everything but the vocals into a subgroup and insert the Eq there.
3. Apply the automation envelope you recorded with Peak Meter to the Eq gain knob and invert it (I think the pro version of Peak Meter allows you to record inverted envelopes automatically).
4. Set the band on the Eq to appropriate width and centre frequency at the part of the spectrum you want ducked.

That'll do it!

You may need to adjust the recorded envelope from Peak Meter so that only the peaks affect the Eq attenuation. But most hosts allow simple group editing of automation data - you'd just grab hold of all the lower points on the automation envelope and pull them up as one to zero, then pull down the top points to a lower level.

And if that sounds complicated (which I suppose it is ) then use Spaceboy instead. But it can be done for free with Peak Meter and a bit of jiggerypokery. Personally I'll buy both - Spaceboy for instant spectrum gratification, and Peak Meter Pro for all kinds of automation madness for absolutely anything I can think of.

Sometimes I feel I can be too much of a smartarse though

It's certainly far easier when someone makes plugins that do it all for you.

[justified]

You can link whatever you want to elseever you want (Eg. Rappers voice level to any eq gain/q) in FL Studio using Peak Controller. I think, other, more "advanced" sequencer should have that possibility too. So you don't really need any third party software to do this.

[IIRs]

I presume the Eq part of the plugin is brought into action by a side chain? Or is your Dynamic Eq not based on compressors?

Yes that's right. Imagine a compressor with side-chain filtering, but instead of adjusting the gain of the whole signal, it controls the gain of an eq.
And there's four of them..

[JonnySun 2.0]

Looking forward to the external triggerable sidechaining-version