Did genres disappear because there is no collective zeitgeist for music anymore?...is it because its not consumed communally?...is it because it's consumed individually personalized by algorithms?
To the video, me and my mom were just listening to a bunch of bossa nova records on vinyl and had a similar convo
The Death of Music Genres
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- KVRian
- 1030 posts since 15 Feb, 2005
Music had a one night stand with sound design.....And the condom broke
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- KVRAF
- 7668 posts since 2 Sep, 2019
"I know so many people that have never heard a Taylor Swift song."
Rick just said the quiet part out loud. Everyone has heard of her, but who actually has heard her music? I guess primary school girls have. But anyone else? Not me. Not anyone I know.
She's the biggest pop star on the planet or something, and yet you don't hear her music anywhere. Could you imagine ANYONE not knowing any songs by Madonna or Michael Jackson in 1985?
Rick just said the quiet part out loud. Everyone has heard of her, but who actually has heard her music? I guess primary school girls have. But anyone else? Not me. Not anyone I know.
She's the biggest pop star on the planet or something, and yet you don't hear her music anywhere. Could you imagine ANYONE not knowing any songs by Madonna or Michael Jackson in 1985?
THIS MUSIC HAS BEEN MIXED TO BE PLAYED LOUD SO TURN IT UP
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- KVRAF
- 7194 posts since 23 Nov, 2016 from a small city
I've not heard any Taylor Swift, but I've also not heard any Ed Sheeran songs in the last 5+ years either. I dont listen to mainstream radio / YouTube / streaming.
It's dead easy not to hear a song by someone.
I'll watch the video later, but, considering that The Wire had an article about cross-pollination of genres due to file sharing when reviewing the gig that would become Black Vomit by Wolf Eyes & Anthony Braxton, released in 2006, its been a while.
I've never heard a Led Zeppelin, David Bowie, Beatles, or Rolling Stones album all the way through. Different to actually saying I've never heard anything by them, admittedly, but I've never owned anything by them, and I'm pretty old.
I bet if you went into a clothes shop you would hear Taylor Swift being played
It's dead easy not to hear a song by someone.
I'll watch the video later, but, considering that The Wire had an article about cross-pollination of genres due to file sharing when reviewing the gig that would become Black Vomit by Wolf Eyes & Anthony Braxton, released in 2006, its been a while.
I've never heard a Led Zeppelin, David Bowie, Beatles, or Rolling Stones album all the way through. Different to actually saying I've never heard anything by them, admittedly, but I've never owned anything by them, and I'm pretty old.
I bet if you went into a clothes shop you would hear Taylor Swift being played
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- KVRAF
- 17991 posts since 24 May, 2009 from A galaxy, far far away
jamcat wrote: Sat Dec 21, 2024 9:29 am "I know so many people that have never heard a Taylor Swift song."
Rick just said the quiet part out loud. Everyone has heard of her, but who actually has heard her music? I guess primary school girls have. But anyone else? Not me. Not anyone I know.
She's the biggest pop star on the planet or something, and yet you don't hear her music anywhere. Could you imagine ANYONE not knowing any songs by Madonna or Michael Jackson in 1985?
Edited: Shoulda watched the video first
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35434 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
Almost sounds like music broadcasting/publishing/access might actually have changed since 1985. Who knew that, eh?
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- KVRAF
- 7194 posts since 23 Nov, 2016 from a small city
I thought that was very interesting. I've not heard Rick Beato before, He did come across a little like Q magazine (or maybe Rolling Stone? I've never read it) in human form, with his narrow list of guitar genres throughout the years. And seemed to be avoiding the main issue - he's old. He listens to old music. Some music is not for you. If it is, you would be listening to it, or searching it out. I've got the Weeknd's first few mixtapes, but his lyrics put me off.
It's what my dad's dad probably said to him - "never heard of Aretha Franklin!"
But his take on the idea of a post genre world is as I thought it would be in my previous post. Instead of gatekeepers like Q, Rolling Stone, NME, etc, you now have a plurality of enthusiasts, some genuine, some paid shills. The print journos of yore were like that as well. The online magazines are great. Brooklyn Vegan's top records of the year has neo soul and death metal in it.
It's what my dad's dad probably said to him - "never heard of Aretha Franklin!"
But his take on the idea of a post genre world is as I thought it would be in my previous post. Instead of gatekeepers like Q, Rolling Stone, NME, etc, you now have a plurality of enthusiasts, some genuine, some paid shills. The print journos of yore were like that as well. The online magazines are great. Brooklyn Vegan's top records of the year has neo soul and death metal in it.
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- addled muppet weed
- 111278 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
i see rick is still doing the old man shouting at clouds thing he does.
as for taylor swift, i know at least one "shake it off" but have heard a lot more that i don't know the name of.
which would probably be the same for madge or whacko in 85
probably much the same as now tbh. they're both remembered for other things really...
as for taylor swift, i know at least one "shake it off" but have heard a lot more that i don't know the name of.
which would probably be the same for madge or whacko in 85
probably much the same as now tbh. they're both remembered for other things really...
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- Boss Lovin' DR
- 14312 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from the grimness of yorkshire
That's fair enough. She's not as popular as The Novakrills after all.vurt wrote: Sat Dec 21, 2024 1:43 pm
as for taylor swift, i know at least one "shake it off" but have heard a lot more that i don't know the name of.
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- addled muppet weed
- 111278 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
exactly!donkey tugger wrote: Sat Dec 21, 2024 2:14 pmThat's fair enough. She's not as popular as The Novakrills after all.vurt wrote: Sat Dec 21, 2024 1:43 pm
as for taylor swift, i know at least one "shake it off" but have heard a lot more that i don't know the name of.
she should seek a collaboration, boost her profile.
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- KVRAF
- 7194 posts since 23 Nov, 2016 from a small city
Madonna's film roles?vurt wrote: Sat Dec 21, 2024 1:43 pm i see rick is still doing the old man shouting at clouds thing he does.
as for taylor swift, i know at least one "shake it off" but have heard a lot more that i don't know the name of.
which would probably be the same for madge or whacko in 85
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- addled muppet weed
- 111278 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
was thinking more the flashing of kebabs and other sexual behaviour. at least, that's what i remember...Bunny_boy wrote: Sat Dec 21, 2024 3:38 pmMadonna's film roles?vurt wrote: Sat Dec 21, 2024 1:43 pm i see rick is still doing the old man shouting at clouds thing he does.
as for taylor swift, i know at least one "shake it off" but have heard a lot more that i don't know the name of.
which would probably be the same for madge or whacko in 85
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1030 posts since 15 Feb, 2005
lol...normally I would agree...but he still can be quite insightful...and with 5 million subscribers, and 5K comments a video, he's not exactly shouting into a vacuumvurt wrote: Sat Dec 21, 2024 1:43 pm i see rick is still doing the old man shouting at clouds thing he does.
as for taylor swift, i know at least one "shake it off" but have heard a lot more that i don't know the name of.
which would probably be the same for madge or whacko in 85
Music had a one night stand with sound design.....And the condom broke
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- addled muppet weed
- 111278 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
there's a lot of old people on the interwebs shouting at clouds!bermudagold wrote: Sat Dec 21, 2024 5:57 pmlol...normally I would agree...but he still can be quite insightful...and with 5 million subscribers, and 5K comments a video, he's not exactly shouting into a vacuumvurt wrote: Sat Dec 21, 2024 1:43 pm i see rick is still doing the old man shouting at clouds thing he does.
as for taylor swift, i know at least one "shake it off" but have heard a lot more that i don't know the name of.
which would probably be the same for madge or whacko in 85
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- KVRAF
- 7194 posts since 23 Nov, 2016 from a small city
Yeah the mean and median ages for his subscribers might be interestingbermudagold wrote: Sat Dec 21, 2024 5:57 pmlol...normally I would agree...but he still can be quite insightful...and with 5 million subscribers, and 5K comments a video, he's not exactly shouting into a vacuumvurt wrote: Sat Dec 21, 2024 1:43 pm i see rick is still doing the old man shouting at clouds thing he does.
as for taylor swift, i know at least one "shake it off" but have heard a lot more that i don't know the name of.
which would probably be the same for madge or whacko in 85