Let‘s speculate about 6.0

[Trancit]

That means there are lots of tools to use to do what you want. Not every DAW needs to be the same as every other DAW.

It's entirely up to you if you want to sit here month after month, year after year being upset that the development vision of the Bitwig devs isn't what you want.

This wasn´t the topic but just a try to break through your ignorance that when many developers find it useful to include such features there must be quite a few people asking for it respectively can make good use out of it...

Second I never said I want to have it while I wouldn´t say no if they would finally do it...
My post was directed towards your kind of typical "Bitwig user" reply:

"They don´t implement it... oh, no problem... I don´t like it anyway... it´s most likely not useful ... but here... look what they give us... this is the shit!!"

... but this is probably over your horizon like your next answer clearly proves as well...

It's not a democracy. It's their software and they have their own vision. If they never add timestretch and slicing to the Sampler, there are still endless ways to control and play with samples in Bitwig as it is.

If someone is adamant that they must have those specific tools, there are plenty of options available today that have them. There is no actual problem.

See... typical Bitwig user aka "fanboy" answer...

Paragraph 1:
The Bitwig´s are always right and always do it right... no need to discuss, just enjoy and pray!

Paragraph 2:
If the Bitwigs aren´t right and don´t do it right, paragraph 1 automatically comes into force... no need to discuss... just enjoy and shut up! We do not allow any questioning what our gods give us!

You don´t agree? Go ahead... We want to bask in our well-being and not be disturbed by negative words!

It´s always a pleasure to talk to you!

[questionaire]

I think many more requested timestretch and slicing for the Sampler than peeps asking for polyphonic Freq and Pitch shifters

It's not a democracy. It's their software and they have their own vision. If they never add timestretch and slicing to the Sampler, there are still endless ways to control and play with samples in Bitwig as it is.

If someone is adamant that they must have those specific tools, there are plenty of options available today that have them. There is no actual problem.

Yes Bitwig can do whatever they like, but the simpler way of slicing is so perfect in my opinion. It is only that i hate windows and stay with Bitwig on Linux and overcome these limitations. Ofcourse i can live with that. But trying to get Bitwig convinced of implementing this feature is not bad

[xbitz]

Anyway, I’m curious about the new arrangement features in the next version. They should aim for something like what SongSketch offers—being able to build a full arrangement from launcher clips using a template with just one button press. We’ll see how it compares to that.

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[pdxindy]

I think many more requested timestretch and slicing for the Sampler than peeps asking for polyphonic Freq and Pitch shifters

It's not a democracy. It's their software and they have their own vision. If they never add timestretch and slicing to the Sampler, there are still endless ways to control and play with samples in Bitwig as it is.

If someone is adamant that they must have those specific tools, there are plenty of options available today that have them. There is no actual problem.

Yes Bitwig can do whatever they like, but the simpler way of slicing is so perfect in my opinion. It is only that i hate windows and stay with Bitwig on Linux and overcome these limitations. Ofcourse i can live with that. But trying to get Bitwig convinced of implementing this feature is not bad

Agreed... I'd just point out that since the Bitwig devs don't frequent this forum, there's not much point to try and convince them of anything here.

[pdxindy]

Anyway, I’m curious about the new arrangement features in the next version. They should aim for something like what SongSketch offers—being able to build a full arrangement from launcher clips using a template with just one button press. We’ll see how it compares to that.

I think most of the current type of tools and piano roll features in modern DAW's will be obsolete soon and AI will take over. I'm curious which DAW will be the first to go that route.

[_leras]

Anyway, I’m curious about the new arrangement features in the next version. They should aim for something like what SongSketch offers—being able to build a full arrangement from launcher clips using a template with just one button press. We’ll see how it compares to that.

I think most of the current type of tools and piano roll features in modern DAW's will be obsolete soon and AI will take over. I'm curious which DAW will be the first to go that route.

On the one hand this song sketch seems quite neat.

On the other hand encouraging people to turn one 8 bar loop into an arrangement automatically is a recipe for dull tracks.

I use Ctrl+D on scenes very often and will end up with many scenes that I name, but that also roughly end up forming an arrangement. I then expand some parts to 4 or 8 bars if they are shorter before dragging over to the arrangement window.

It could be good to have an Add Scene To End of Arrangement option that could help with this.

[xbitz]

^^^ there are many places in the arrangement where different automatisms could be used to enhance the workflow. Freshly Squeezed Samples has an EDM-oriented series about this: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... ax2WDMMnit, they did a great job gathering the fundamental principles

[questionaire]

I think many more requested timestretch and slicing for the Sampler than peeps asking for polyphonic Freq and Pitch shifters

It's not a democracy. It's their software and they have their own vision. If they never add timestretch and slicing to the Sampler, there are still endless ways to control and play with samples in Bitwig as it is.

If someone is adamant that they must have those specific tools, there are plenty of options available today that have them. There is no actual problem.

Yes Bitwig can do whatever they like, but the simpler way of slicing is so perfect in my opinion. It is only that i hate windows and stay with Bitwig on Linux and overcome these limitations. Ofcourse i can live with that. But trying to get Bitwig convinced of implementing this feature is not bad

Agreed... I'd just point out that since the Bitwig devs don't frequent this forum, there's not much point to try and convince them of anything here.

Yes why on earth Bitwig does not read their own forum, it is crazy.

[pdxindy]

Yes why on earth Bitwig does not read their own forum, it is crazy.

It's such a toxic place. I wouldn't read it either if I were them.

[questionaire]

Yes why on earth Bitwig does not read their own forum, it is crazy.

It's such a toxic place. I wouldn't read it either if I were them.

[pdxindy]

For the grid, I must admit that I seldom use it.
My reasoning behind it, is that it is only useful for (very) advanced sound design.

Lots of people have a certain conception of the Grid based on lots of Grid Videos show patches with hundreds of modules with whole arrangements of sequencing, generative stuff etc.

Most of my Grid patches are simple. A handful of modules and a small amount of modulation. My patches are simpler than basic plugin synths.

A couple days ago, I made a beautiful evolving soundscape with a noisy floor with lots of vocalish formants drifting in and out with only 6 modules (7 with the audio out). Signal path was 3 modules: a wavetable osc into the new pitch shifter then to an env and out. 2 Sine osc's as audio rate modulators of the pitch shifter, and one slow lfo.

I consider the Grid the best simple, one window synth available. I have patches that are only 3 modules. But unlike a very simple fixed architecture synth, I am not limited in what modules or how I use them in a simple patch.

At any time, I can add something to a patch. I never get dead-ended in the Grid.

[Jac459]

For the grid, I must admit that I seldom use it.
My reasoning behind it, is that it is only useful for (very) advanced sound design.

Lots of people have a certain conception of the Grid based on lots of Grid Videos show patches with hundreds of modules with whole arrangements of sequencing, generative stuff etc.

Most of my Grid patches are simple. A handful of modules and a small amount of modulation. My patches are simpler than basic plugin synths.

A couple days ago, I made a beautiful evolving soundscape with a noisy floor with lots of vocalish formants drifting in and out with only 6 modules (7 with the audio out). Signal path was 3 modules: a wavetable osc into the new pitch shifter then to an env and out. 2 Sine osc's as audio rate modulators of the pitch shifter, and one slow lfo.

I consider the Grid the best simple, one window synth available. I have patches that are only 3 modules. But unlike a very simple fixed architecture synth, I am not limited in what modules or how I use them in a simple patch.

At any time, I can add something to a patch. I never get dead-ended in the Grid.

I see. I understand you because I do the same with phase plant.
I like to start with nothing and create from it... It may not be faster than starting with something already built but it is kind of therapeutic lol.

Ok I'll give it more attention. I like your idea.

[Echoes in the Attic]

With all the performance features like macros and remote controls and grid stuff etc., I find it hard to understand how they don't have a snapshot system, like Ableton's Performance Pack (or like Maschine has had for ages). I've actually moved back to Ableton mostly for that. But I do miss some things in Bitwig for sure and would love for them to add that.

[slackhead]

It could be good to have an Add Scene To End of Arrangement option that could help with this.

Being able to quickly have a scene added to arrangement that then loops to the end would be very useful, especially if this was combined with having a ghost copy function (like shared copy in S1)

[xbitz]

With all the performance features like macros and remote controls and grid stuff etc., I find it hard to understand how they don't have a snapshot system, like Ableton's Performance Pack (or like Maschine has had for ages). I've actually moved back to Ableton mostly for that. But I do miss some things in Bitwig for sure and would love for them to add that.

luckily can throw ideas into the selectors; when duplicating, it preserves the modulation and uses the currently active remote control. It helps to some extent—at least it doesn’t eat up the CPU

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