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[milanesa]

Asking here because I can't find a way to register to their forums. Does anyone know if there are any plans on bringing back Edison and Maximus as VSTs? Can't check on their forums either so I'd appreciate if someone could help out here (maybe ask some of the developers over there or something).

I can't find any alternative to Edison (not sure why no one has done it, would love someone working on it instead of a 300th variation of an 1176, but that's not for me to decide hahaha) and loved it inside FL when trying it out. Would love to have it as a tool in Ableton.

Before people saying just use a channel in Ableton, I like the workflow Edison provides, the recording of audio anywhere in the middle of effects, the drag and drop of recorded audio and into the plugin itself, the way the waveform is rendered and shows mid and side information plus the tools it provides for editing audio, so I know it's a tool I'll use a lot if I'm able to get it. Maximus looks amazing too.

Thanks everyone!

Extremely simple but effective for one of your wishes: record and D&D anywhere (with some preferences built in)

https://www.birdsthings.com/

Looked at it and its nice! Would like some manual controls for playback/record and drag n drop into it as well as a more detailed waveform view, but the idea is getting there!

Try it. The demo may be sufficient because IIRC it gives you 60 seconds before the usual noise burst ( quite hissing).

Check the option menu.

Tried it, can see myself using it but I can't work with it like Edison, thanks for the suggestion though!

It might be worth remembering the FL Studo comes as a VST, so you *can* use the FL Studio native stuff in other hosts that way. In the case of Edison at least, not being able to save the projects without a full FL license shouldn't be a showstopper. I don't know if you'd be able to drag audio from FL Studio to your *other* host though, but it's easy enough to try it and answer that question. You can of course save files to disk from Edison as a workaround, but that might be a less than ideal workflow. Anyway, you might as well give it a try and see if that would potentially also work for you.

I wouldn't mind loading FL Studio as a VST just for Edison but there's no way to send audio into it as a plugin
Maybe with some virtual cable or something but I'm not sure if latency would be workable.

[sjm]

I wouldn't mind loading FL Studio as a VST just for Edison but there's no way to send audio into it as a plugin
Maybe with some virtual cable or something but I'm not sure if latency would be workable.

It works for me in Reaper with no setup required. I just added it the FL Studio VST to the mixer channel in Reaper that I want to record.

Edit: Turns out that what I was recording were the default instruments in FL Studio responding to the MIDI from Reaper. My bad.

[Trancit]

I wouldn't mind loading FL Studio as a VST just for Edison but there's no way to send audio into it as a plugin
Maybe with some virtual cable or something but I'm not sure if latency would be workable.

It works for me in Reaper with no setup required. I just added it the FL Studio VST to the mixer channel in Reaper that I want to record.
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No way to make this happen here!
There is no audio incoming into FLS VSTi what edison could record...

There must be definetely happen some special routing like virtual audio drivers etc... but even then there is no way to change the audio interface in FLS when loaded as a VSTi as it´s greyed out and unaccessable ...
Second according to your screen shot you had FLS VSTi BEFORE Synth1... so this cannot work in a serial fashion anyway...

Third I never ever have heard of FLS VSTi being able to receive audio input from the host... this was always one of the most feature wishes but never realized afaik.

Would be nice to see an unedited video showing the audio tab of FLS as a VSTi in Reaper respectively all the steps like you do it...

[sjm]

Ah, shit, you're right. I forgot that FL Studio loads up a bunch of instrument channels when initiated as a VSTi. The MIDI from Reaper was triggering the instruments in the rack in FL Studio. *facepalm*

[Trancit]

Ah, shit, you're right. I forgot that FL Studio loads up a bunch of instrument channels when initiated as a VSTi. The MIDI from Reaper was triggering the instruments in the rack in FL Studio. *facepalm*

This I was guessing right now as well...
Because you had the VSTi loaded before Synth1 it received the midi data and triggered the "Basic" instrument which you recorded into Edison...

[aMUSEd]

Unfortunately there is still no VST3 of FL Studio anyway

[Trancit]

Unfortunately there is still no VST3 of FL Studio anyway

What would you expect from a VST3 version??

[Held]

Unfortunately there is still no VST3 of FL Studio anyway

What would you expect from a VST3 version??

To be supported by Cubase 14, for example.

[aMUSEd]

Unfortunately there is still no VST3 of FL Studio anyway

What would you expect from a VST3 version??

On Apple Silicon Mac VST2 is deprecated and on the way out, most of my hosts either don’t support it or require Rosetta mode to run VST2 plugins

[Trancit]

Unfortunately there is still no VST3 of FL Studio anyway

What would you expect from a VST3 version??

To be supported by Cubase 14, for example.

Cubase 14 can still run VST2 plugins... it only has to be activated seperately...
And if Steinberg "support" things or not, doesn´t make it behave better.

The VST version of FLS doesn´t work well anyway (huge timing issues with triggering from outside or internal sequencer) so if VST2 or 3 isn´t a big loss anyway until they may come up with a working solution in 15-20 years...

[Trancit]

Unfortunately there is still no VST3 of FL Studio anyway

What would you expect from a VST3 version??

On Apple Silicon Mac VST2 is deprecated and on the way out, most of my hosts either don’t support it or require Rosetta mode to run VST2 plugins

Ok... did you use already the VST version of FLS before??
Look in my post above regarding the issues I have (and always had) with it.

[n9research]

It's a real shame, what happened to that company..

Maximus is easily replaceable by any number of modern multiband compressors (my usual choice - MDynamicsMB)

But Edison is still best in class for in-chain audio capture and editing. Harmor is still a hall of fame synth, still a Top 5 - in or out of the box. Quite the achievement for their age (Harmor ~13 years, Edison even longer, I think)

I bought them as plugins when they were still being offered, so I'm fortunate that I can use them - and still do, heavily. Discontinuing them as plugins was another inexplicable business decision in a very long line of them.

Bird's Rolling Sampler has been mentioned, and it's a great plugin - which I own and use. But it's not designed for most of the ways one would use Edison.

[milanesa]

It's a real shame, what happened to that company..

Maximus is easily replaceable by any number of modern multiband compressors (my usual choice - MDynamicsMB)

But Edison is still best in class for in-chain audio capture and editing. Harmor is still a hall of fame synth, still a Top 5 - in or out of the box. Quite the achievement for their age (Harmor ~13 years, Edison even longer, I think)

I bought them as plugins when they were still being offered, so I'm fortunate that I can use them - and still do, heavily. Discontinuing them as plugins was another inexplicable business decision in a very long line of them.

Bird's Rolling Sampler has been mentioned, and it's a great plugin - which I own and use. But it's not designed for most of the ways one would use Edison.

Will check out MDynamicsMB, thanks!

Yeah Rolling Sampler is good, but it's very different to Edison. Would love for them to bring it back as VST, I still haven't found any replacement. Hopefully some dev becomes aware and develops something

[aMUSEd]

Unfortunately there is still no VST3 of FL Studio anyway

What would you expect from a VST3 version??

On Apple Silicon Mac VST2 is deprecated and on the way out, most of my hosts either don’t support it or require Rosetta mode to run VST2 plugins

Ok... did you use already the VST version of FLS before??
Look in my post above regarding the issues I have (and always had) with it.

No, I just don't use VST2 anymore if I can help it, and anyway it's not a solution really to getting back plugin versions of Edison (and Harmor etc)

[harddaysnight]

Have you actually used Edison, or are you thinking it's a good match for your workflow due to videos you've seen and things you've read?

Because in practice, it is way less intuitive and appealing to use than it is in theory and can be left in the past now that you can record straight to tracks in FL now.

No idea why anyone would want Edison as a VST to use in some other DAW.

Sounds like something someone who's never used Edison might think.