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The random feature in sampling mode is broken.

When you play notes fast it goes in 1 2 3 4 order.
Only when you play slow does it go random order.

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Would be crazy if they could implement a fav system with the samples too! :love:

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mynet wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2025 5:05 pm The random feature in sampling mode is broken.

When you play notes fast it goes in 1 2 3 4 order.
Only when you play slow does it go random order.
It's by design, it stops you getting the same sample twice in a row when playing fast. Stops it from sounding robotic and fake.

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mynet wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2025 5:23 pm Would be crazy if they could implement a fav system with the samples too! :love:
I'll probably do that

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I just bought Nexus 5 with a couple expansions, price went up fast (also, damn taxes!) but so far I'm having a blast! I was wondering about the retro skins. I've seen a couple of them for Nexus 2 and one thing I notice is they appear much "contrasty" in Nexus 5. Black skins are really black, like crushed. Same with other colors and white. Could this be a gamma thing? I know Windows and Mac don't have the same gamma level and I remember Urs from u-he talked about this when one person asked him why one of his synth was much darker on Windows.

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xx JPRacer xx wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 3:48 am I just bought Nexus 5 with a couple expansions, price went up fast (also, damn taxes!) but so far I'm having a blast! I was wondering about the retro skins. I've seen a couple of them for Nexus 2 and one thing I notice is they appear much "contrasty" in Nexus 5. Black skins are really black, like crushed. Same with other colors and white. Could this be a gamma thing? I know Windows and Mac don't have the same gamma level and I remember Urs from u-he talked about this when one person asked him why one of his synth was much darker on Windows.
i think i saw more than 30 skins available for nexus 5 now. some great choices. and after you make a choice you can still go back to the basic library view which doesn't change.

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FigBug wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2025 11:28 pm
mynet wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2025 5:05 pm The random feature in sampling mode is broken.

When you play notes fast it goes in 1 2 3 4 order.
Only when you play slow does it go random order.
It's by design, it stops you getting the same sample twice in a row when playing fast. Stops it from sounding robotic and fake.
I know. Thats not the problem. I want random order when playing fast to. Not chronological 1 2 3 4.
Read my post again.

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mynet wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 8:43 am I know. Thats not the problem. I want random order when playing fast to. Not chronological 1 2 3 4.
Read my post again.
I read your post, and I told you it's by design.

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FigBug wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 1:40 pm
mynet wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 8:43 am I know. Thats not the problem. I want random order when playing fast to. Not chronological 1 2 3 4.
Read my post again.
I read your post, and I told you it's by design.
I can see by your answer you didn’t understand the bug.
How can it behave differently when playing slow and fast notes?
There’s 0 logic and must be a mistake.

If I set it to random. I want random all the time.
3 4 1 3 2 4 1 2 1 4 3 2 1 3
Not random only when im playing slow and choronlogical when playing fast?
It really gets audibly repetitive when playing fast and the samples goes in the 1 2 3 4 - 1 2 3 4 - 1 2 3 4 pattern.
Hope you get it now.

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mynet wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 3:17 pm I can see by your answer you didn’t understand the bug.
How can it behave differently when playing slow and fast notes?
There’s 0 logic and must be a mistake.
You say it’s by design, you designed it that way? :lol:
Playing a note disables random for that oscillator and switches to round robin for the next 250 ms. The behaviour predates me working at reFX so I can't tell you the full history of why it works that way. I have discussed it with Mike before, it is definitely intentional. I assume one of the early sound designers wanted it that way.

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m-ac wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2025 11:37 am When browsing the wavetables, is it normal to only have a couple of folders visible even if I have a zillion expansions installed? The expansions are mainly older titles, so that might be the reason?
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m-ac wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 5:53 pm When browsing the wavetables, is it normal to only have a couple of folders visible even if I have a zillion expansions installed? The expansions are mainly older titles, so that might be the reason?
Yes, wavetables were added fairly recently. Version 4 I think. Any expansions older than that won't have any. It's not a terribly popular feature, I think most sound designers are still using samples.

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FigBug wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 8:22 pm
m-ac wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 5:53 pm When browsing the wavetables, is it normal to only have a couple of folders visible even if I have a zillion expansions installed? The expansions are mainly older titles, so that might be the reason?
Yes, wavetables were added fairly recently. Version 4 I think. Any expansions older than that won't have any. It's not a terribly popular feature, I think most sound designers are still using samples.
Cheers, Roland :tu:

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FigBug wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 3:49 pm
Playing a note disables random for that oscillator and switches to round robin for the next 250 ms. The behaviour predates me working at reFX so I can't tell you the full history of why it works that way. I have discussed it with Mike before, it is definitely intentional. I assume one of the early sound designers wanted it that way.
So then imo its pretty useless because you hear the repetitiveness then and you don’t get the real randomness! I changed my previous post to explain. I really wonder what the reason is for it to work this way.
Curious what Manuel thinks about this.

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mynet wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2025 2:12 pm So then imo its pretty useless because you hear the repetitiveness then and you don’t get the real randomness! I changed my previous post to explain. I really wonder what the reason is for it to work this way.
Curious what Manuel thinks about this.
As a work around you could duplicate the oscillator a few times so it feeds the layer multiple times and then set the layer to use a random oscuillator.

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