Well tbh all anti virus is stupid. It all slows your PC down immensely. Don't believe me? Try opening a folder with 100 EXE files, see how long it takes for any AV software to scan before showing content. Then disable AV and repeat. Makes a world of difference. But this applies to every folder you open, every app you launch.
Avgfree is worse. Having any AV software is basically testing viruses on your machine. I've never had a virus in 20 years of heavy use! AV software is a con!
MuLab 10.0.85
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- KVRAF
- 3139 posts since 28 Mar, 2008 from a Galaxy S7 far far away
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- KVRian
- 629 posts since 11 Jul, 2006 from Fayetteville, GA
Am I wholly ignorant as a ‘new’ user,coming back after literally 15 years…
But…ought not MySynth, MuDrum, Sampler, Multisampler all be at the forefront of choices as opposed to being deeply buried in ‘templates’ under this and that and another?!?
Weird.
Such things, I’d imagine would be “right there” and wholly transparent to everyone and most especially new users to utilize first and foremost instead of imagining they ought/have to download third party apps, etc…..
Heck, even an d guy like me had to dig to find them and I still cannot even figure out how to load stuff in Multisampler after reading the doc…. To the point I’m going to buy a third party sampler just and only because I cannot figure it out.
But, yeah…Mulab’s stuff ought be ‘right there’ somehow, someway, imho…..
Maybe I’m a complete and total dumba**, as I usually am….but surely I would not be alone as others like….
But…ought not MySynth, MuDrum, Sampler, Multisampler all be at the forefront of choices as opposed to being deeply buried in ‘templates’ under this and that and another?!?
Weird.
Such things, I’d imagine would be “right there” and wholly transparent to everyone and most especially new users to utilize first and foremost instead of imagining they ought/have to download third party apps, etc…..
Heck, even an d guy like me had to dig to find them and I still cannot even figure out how to load stuff in Multisampler after reading the doc…. To the point I’m going to buy a third party sampler just and only because I cannot figure it out.
But, yeah…Mulab’s stuff ought be ‘right there’ somehow, someway, imho…..
Maybe I’m a complete and total dumba**, as I usually am….but surely I would not be alone as others like….
"The last man on earth doesn't miss anyone at all." - Haujobb, Faith In Chaos
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 13853 posts since 24 Jun, 2008 from Europe
Thanks for your feedback.
MuSynth, MuDrum, MuSampla and MultiSampla are standard MUX Modular presets just like any other MUX Modular preset, and hence they can be fully edited both in the modular area as well as their front panel. So they're essentially not different than any other MUX Modular preset and hence they're in the MUX factory preset library.
As they're instruments i think it's logical that they're placed in the Instruments subfolder.
There i think it's logical to put them in the Templates subfolder as that's what they are: Templates.
There also are many other MuSynth-based presets in other sub-folders, for example BA Musonic in the Bass subfolder and A Space Journey in the Leads sub-folder, etc.
Anyway, besides the above explanation about why these 4 are in the Instruments -> Templates subfolder, i think that once you know that you can access them quickly using of these options:
Select them from the list
Use the search field
Add a quick access button for that Factory -> Instruments -> Templates preset folder in the Project Browser.
So your feedback is only concerning new users who expect a traditional DAW, right?
About loading stuff in Multi-Sampla: Simply drag-drop samples on its editor.
More details about the multi-sample editor on this doc page: https://www.mutools.com/info/M10/docs/m ... ditor.html
MuSynth, MuDrum, MuSampla and MultiSampla are standard MUX Modular presets just like any other MUX Modular preset, and hence they can be fully edited both in the modular area as well as their front panel. So they're essentially not different than any other MUX Modular preset and hence they're in the MUX factory preset library.
As they're instruments i think it's logical that they're placed in the Instruments subfolder.
There i think it's logical to put them in the Templates subfolder as that's what they are: Templates.
There also are many other MuSynth-based presets in other sub-folders, for example BA Musonic in the Bass subfolder and A Space Journey in the Leads sub-folder, etc.
Anyway, besides the above explanation about why these 4 are in the Instruments -> Templates subfolder, i think that once you know that you can access them quickly using of these options:
Select them from the list
Use the search field
Add a quick access button for that Factory -> Instruments -> Templates preset folder in the Project Browser.
So your feedback is only concerning new users who expect a traditional DAW, right?
About loading stuff in Multi-Sampla: Simply drag-drop samples on its editor.
More details about the multi-sample editor on this doc page: https://www.mutools.com/info/M10/docs/m ... ditor.html
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 13853 posts since 24 Jun, 2008 from Europe
MuLab App M10.0.30 beta for Windows 64 bit is available on https://www.mutools.com/mulab/app/lates ... /beta.html
MuLab Plugin M10.0.30 beta for Windows 64 bit is available on https://www.mutools.com/mulab/plugin/la ... /beta.html
What's changed:
MuLab Plugin M10.0.30 beta for Windows 64 bit is available on https://www.mutools.com/mulab/plugin/la ... /beta.html
What's changed:
- Edit Preferences / Shortcuts: Key Focus is set to the search field so you can immediately type to search.
- Edit Shortcuts -> Options: Extra option to save the shortcut list to a text file, from where you can print it.
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- KVRAF
- 7018 posts since 19 Apr, 2002 from Utah
Luckily, Linux doesn't have that problem. There are virus checkers available, but there just really isn't a need. I don't even have an antivirus program installed. I have never had the need.sl23 wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2025 7:09 pm Well tbh all anti virus is stupid. It all slows your PC down immensely. Don't believe me? Try opening a folder with 100 EXE files, see how long it takes for any AV software to scan before showing content. Then disable AV and repeat. Makes a world of difference. But this applies to every folder you open, every app you launch.
Avgfree is worse. Having any AV software is basically testing viruses on your machine. I've never had a virus in 20 years of heavy use! AV software is a con!
Vendor‑Dependent Copy Protection: Customers lose. Pirates win.
(Also: I'm Accused of lying about Linux—it boots, runs my pro audio workflow, stays stable, updates--though yearly dismissed as “niche”. Yet I'm the deluded one.)
(Also: I'm Accused of lying about Linux—it boots, runs my pro audio workflow, stays stable, updates--though yearly dismissed as “niche”. Yet I'm the deluded one.)
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- KVRAF
- 3139 posts since 28 Mar, 2008 from a Galaxy S7 far far away
I tried linux Mint, but I would miss too many apps that I have grown so used to. One of my faves is Rainmeter!
Tbh, I believe Windows doesn't require AV software. I think the real hackers go for the bigger fish, I have nothing to steal, only data to ruin, but I back it all up many times over.
Honestly, if you ran a huge multi-million pound/euro/dollar industry like Roland, Korg, Yamaha, etc, wouldn't you get to a point where industrial espionage becomes a reality? A perfect part of that espionage would be to employ hackers to create viruses and crack you competitors software to allow people to use it for free! I mean seriously, why else would they hack software for free? Cos I seriously doubt they do that much hacking for nothing! Nobody in this world does that much for nothing!
Still, I'd love to use linux over M$ win-doze! It's ridiculously bloated! I mean how has it gone from the size of a CD to nearly 2 x DVD's for the installer? I use zero M$ software and to me, it's literally just an OS. I don't even use the desktop, explorer, system folders for media, nothing! If I had the know-how to strip it all away while leaving it fully intact for my usage, I would.
Annoys me that I can't even use a single MIDI device in two different apps!
Sorry for the rant... Over and out!
Tbh, I believe Windows doesn't require AV software. I think the real hackers go for the bigger fish, I have nothing to steal, only data to ruin, but I back it all up many times over.
Honestly, if you ran a huge multi-million pound/euro/dollar industry like Roland, Korg, Yamaha, etc, wouldn't you get to a point where industrial espionage becomes a reality? A perfect part of that espionage would be to employ hackers to create viruses and crack you competitors software to allow people to use it for free! I mean seriously, why else would they hack software for free? Cos I seriously doubt they do that much hacking for nothing! Nobody in this world does that much for nothing!
Still, I'd love to use linux over M$ win-doze! It's ridiculously bloated! I mean how has it gone from the size of a CD to nearly 2 x DVD's for the installer? I use zero M$ software and to me, it's literally just an OS. I don't even use the desktop, explorer, system folders for media, nothing! If I had the know-how to strip it all away while leaving it fully intact for my usage, I would.
Annoys me that I can't even use a single MIDI device in two different apps!
Sorry for the rant... Over and out!
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- KVRAF
- 7411 posts since 8 Feb, 2003 from London, UK
> Annoys me that I can't even use a single MIDI device in two different apps!
That's down to lack of JACK support in Windows music apps, though. JACK's there to do it. (The Linux MIDI drivers have either JACK or Pulse sitting on top of (ALSA still?) them.)
That's down to lack of JACK support in Windows music apps, though. JACK's there to do it. (The Linux MIDI drivers have either JACK or Pulse sitting on top of (ALSA still?) them.)
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- KVRAF
- 3139 posts since 28 Mar, 2008 from a Galaxy S7 far far away
Yeah, I know. I wish I could move to linux. But my experience with linux Mint wasn't great tbh. And there's always headaches to fix things that shouldn't be broken!
I'll be given n old PC soon, I may well try linux on that and see how I get on. I like windows, but ffs, I wish they'd stop bloating it up and actually sort things like MIDI support out! It can't be difficult and it's not as though there's a whole music industry that needs it!
I'll be given n old PC soon, I may well try linux on that and see how I get on. I like windows, but ffs, I wish they'd stop bloating it up and actually sort things like MIDI support out! It can't be difficult and it's not as though there's a whole music industry that needs it!
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- KVRist
- 120 posts since 9 Apr, 2023
If compatibility with the computer world is a concern, you can do a search for windowsxlite. He makes a bunch of very nice stripped down Windows 10 and 11's. I still use Winreducer and NTlite to further adjust things, but this guy does a good enough job that you dont really need to. Its updatable and close enough to stock for compatibility with Store and all that stuff.
And if I ever got a virus, I've disabled all Dr. Watson and windows security services, that would only be my excuse to reinstall everything within an hour and speed my computer back up.
Similar to the modular and (mostly) portable nature of MuLab, its all a matter of being able to customize your experience to suit the user, not the corporation.
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- KVRAF
- 7411 posts since 8 Feb, 2003 from London, UK
Does MuLab have mono tracks? I thought everything was stereo -- if you import mono, you'll get a stereo track with the same signal panned hard left/right and gain adjusted so it sums to the same mono signal.
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- KVRist
- 55 posts since 26 Feb, 2024
Hi MachFront,MachFront wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2025 10:12 pm Am I wholly ignorant as a ‘new’ user,coming back after literally 15 years…
But…ought not MySynth, MuDrum, Sampler, Multisampler all be at the forefront of choices as opposed to being deeply buried in ‘templates’ under this and that and another?!?
MuLab has changed a lot, since you were last here. The multisampler is much better, and still the best I have ever used (at least for building your basic intrument[the extra functionality is very subjective]). Every since MuLab v2, the sampler has been a big delight. Give the new UI changes some time. Once you re-learn you're way around, I doubt you'll regret it.
Keep in mind, MuLab has expanded to meet the needs of different artists. Myself, I have found nothing lacking, from the earlier versions.
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- KVRist
- 55 posts since 26 Feb, 2024
I don't know what Jo has planned. I personally enjoy MuLab over WINE, more than I am likely to enjoy a native "Linux" MuLab. But that is partially because I still use MuLab 32bit (most win->lin ports end up only being 64bit [but 32bit will eventually disappear anyway]).oldcastle wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 5:31 pm I'm sure Jo will surprise us with a Linux version in the not-so-distant future!
There are a lot of issues with Linux. But I am a Linux, less corporate code contributed, minded user. I prefer Xorg (not Wayland), Jack (not Pipewire), light Window Managers (not Desktop Environments), muslC (not glibc), and OpenRC (not systemD). And, I still use some 32bit systems.
It isn't very likely that any commercial Linux DAW will be built over muslC. And, like with Reaper, MuLab would need to follow major Desktop Environment window managing standards. In Reaper (with no GTK/QT based Desktop Environment) I have to completely maximize a settings window, if I want the mouse to accurately connect with it (not so over Wine). Consequently, I haven't used Reaper since the early 7 releases.
The nice thing about MuLab, as a native Linux application, is that it would be one of the better Linux DAW options. It already has tons of functionality (for some maybe complete), without needing to worry about plugin compatibility. But, if you needed a Windows plugin, it might be better just allowing MuLab to be the plugin host as a Wine application, rather than bridging plugins over Wine to a native Linux MuLab.
I've had success building the VST bridge from "Carla [Kxstudio]" and using it without Carla, to host MuLab VST. This give me a nearer MuLab -> Jack connection. For example, the Composer transport obeys Jack's transport control. This isn't possible with WineAsio. Also, MIDI connections are over Jack, instead of over WineAlsaMidi. I also seem to get less Jack Xruns and error messages (i can achieve a little lower Jack latency). But, it isn't substantially better than WineAsio, unless you want that Transport control.
I'd rather have a MuLab, with built in Jack Audio support. And then a Wine utility (like WineAsio) to bridge Windows/Wine Jack Audio, to native Linux Jack Audio. But, I don't know how the Licensing works. The MuLab Jack Audio might need to be an external dll and opensource. And, I've never used Jack Audio on native Windows. It might suck, and not be worth Jo's time.
Nothing I've said here is groundbreaking. I'm just adding to the conversation.