What vst sounds closest to the Virus TI?

[zerocrossing]

Ostirus is NOT modelled, you are playing the real Virus

Minus the DAC

I’m of the mind that the “it’s the DAC” are suffering from confirmation bias, and the DACs of that era do not significantly contribute to the character of the Virus.

I think you're putting something in their mouth here which they never said.

The "minus the DAC" statement is factually correct.

You aside*, so far nobody seems to be interested in discussing the DAC's relevance though.


*edit: I should have read the thread until its current end first - actually there's others who are apparently keen on discussing the DAC too.

Well, when you interject with a specific nugget of information, it’s safe to say that you did because you believe that it makes a difference, or else why would you bring it up?

Also, I had a Snow and used it both via its analog outputs and via its digital outputs, and I could not hear any difference.

[jens]

Well, when you interject with a specific nugget of information, it’s safe to say that you did because you believe that it makes a difference, or else why would you bring it up?

I can only speak for myself of course, but had they not made that comment, I would have made it. And I have not the first clue about the Virus DAC(s?) and neither do I care.
It would simply have been to be more exact - which it is. You can't interpret anything else into it without the other having explicitly stated it.

When you say "there's a cloudless sky today" and I reply with "except for that little cloud over there" you can't interpret that as me saying "it's about to rain".

[IvyBirds]

Well, when you interject with a specific nugget of information, it’s safe to say that you did because you believe that it makes a difference, or else why would you bring it up?

I can only speak for myself of course, but had they not made that comment, I would have made it. And I have not the first clue about the Virus DAC(s?) and neither do I care.
It would simply have been to be more exact - which it is. You can't interpret anything else into it without the other having explicitly stated it.

When you say "there's a cloudless sky today" and I reply with "except for that little cloud over there" you can't interpret that as me saying "it's about to rain".

But you are making a distinction without a difference

In reality they modeled the output of the DAC as all they needed to do was make it transparent and it will sound exactly like the hardware as uncompressed PCM when done properly (and it is on the Virus) audio streams running at 24 bits to humans will all sound the same, that's all the emulation you need. Doing so would make it sound exactly like the Optical and/or USB outputs (at least to human ears)

If they modeled the analog outs it might be a different story but then again how would you get that analog signal back into your DAW? It would have to be converted back into a digital signal again to do that it would need to be gainstaged through the preamp then go through a A/D and that would degrade/color it. If you ran it through a mixer or any outboard before hand even more so, and that is before any capacitance issues with cable runs

So how do you record or hear any of that?

I don't have the Virus hardware anymore, but if I did and I ran it and the plugin red hot through my Mackie 1604 and then recorded it to my Tascam PortaStudio 8 Track, you would in no way be able to tell any difference between them

[seafire]

Ostirus is NOT modelled, you are playing the real Virus

Minus the DAC

I’m of the mind that the “it’s the DAC” are suffering from confirmation bias, and the DACs of that era do not significantly contribute to the character of the Virus.

I think you're putting something in their mouth here which they never said.

The "minus the DAC" statement is factually correct.

You aside*, so far nobody seems to be interested in discussing the DAC's relevance though.


*edit: I should have read the thread until its current end first - actually there's others who are apparently keen on discussing the DAC too.

Indeed, I wasn't serious, even tho it is correct, and I too hadn't read the whole thread.

No need for a shit storm.

[El°HYM]

• You do not talk about DACs.

• You do NOT talk about DACs.

[seafire]

I didn't read the small print

[rafa1981]

I always thought that those DAC stories were hardware owners not wanting their equipment to lose value.

[IvyBirds]

I didn't read the small print

Don't worry it's just us nerds at the nerdery talking about nerdy things no one cares about

[EfreetiSultan]

The code in the actual hardware virus looks like this 100101100101.
In your average computer running dsp emulation it looks like this 100101100101.

Clearly the og hardware is fatter.

[jens]

But you are making a distinction without a difference

That's up for a debate I'll leave to those who have any interest in it.

[Gam456]

In particular as mentioned earlier the Access Virus TI has 192kHz convertors with SPDIF optical outputs that is as clean and transparent as you can get

The ESAI audio interface has the following setup:

44,1 KHz or 48 KHz
2 channels per port

The ESAI_1 audio interface is setup in a different way:

88,2 KHz or 96 KHz
3 channels per port

https://dsp56300.wordpress.com/virus-c- ... formation/

Read the actual documentation from Access.

The Virus TI offers

"6 balanced outputs with +4 dB level and soft limiting algorithm. Studio grade 192 khz D/A converters with S/PDIF digital I/O. 2x24 bit inputs. Surround sound capabilities. The Virus TI Snow has 2 un-balanced outputs and no SPDIF I/O."

192 that's the theory. My Motu can easy handle 192.
Do I use 192, absolutely no.
Honestly whatever is the analog ouptut, the Virus work internally at 44.1/48
It doesn't matter !

[jens]

I always thought that those DAC stories were hardware owners not wanting their equipment to lose value.

I guess it actually depends on the hardware in question quite a bit... in case of the Eventide H3000 the I/O parts were designed by Dave Derr, who appears mightily proud of it and there is consenus on it to have a significant influence on the devices' sound. But the again, he used existing ADC/DACs too, so in certain cases there seems to be a lot more to it than choosing this or that chip.
That*s a completely different device to a purely digital synth though, and coming from a different era.

In case of the Virus I would assume if any at all, the DAC to have a slightly negative impact on the sound.

[kmonkey]

Complaining about this specific difference is like complaining about the perception of sound when you stand 1 meter from the speaker versus 1 meter and 10 cm. Sometimes I wish I was as enthusiastic as some of you.

[jens]

Complaining about this specific difference is like complaining about the perception of sound when you stand 1 meter from the speaker versus 1 meter and 10 cm. Sometimes I wish I was as enthusiastic as some of you.

Except that NOBODY ever did in this thread.

There is one group of people who just won't shut up about the DAC: those being obviously extremely desperate to discuss it no matter what, and who seem super eager to jump on anyone daring to just utter the term DAC, like that person just had claimed that the DAC is the most important bit of the Virus. And even the repeated assurances by those that they absolutely not care either way is going to make them shut up about it.

You don't think the DAC makes any difference and nobody here ever claimed it did, so why on earth won't you guys just finally shut up about it? Why do you need to discuss a DAC that in yoru own words makes no difference for pages? Seriously: just why?

Reminds me of atheists not shutting up about God not being existant. As an agnostic I find that just as irritating as the nutters from the bible belt.

[adamszabo]

I noticed if I export a preset from Osirus as a midi file
Viper can't find the wavetable. But Viper can see the factory folder.

Its because you didnt download the free virus waves from vipers webpage, or you have them in an incorrect location

I can see in the OSC

Yes, you have them in the wrong location. In the instructions it says: simply put the "Virus Classic Waveforms" in the "Waveforms" folder, and the "Virus TI Wavetables" into the "Wavetables" folder.

I dont know why you put them in "Waveforms/Factory" and "Wavetables/Factory" folders.