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jens wrote:crtl+a or lassoing/multi selecting - it's up to you what notes to edit... - this behaviour is clearly far superior to always being able to edit the velocity of all notes ;-)
Why is it? Its not like I could accidentally edit velocities I didn't want to for any reason. It is a completely redundant, unnecessary step. It doesn't make sense to select multiple notes just to be able to edit them individually and is inconsistent with the behaviour in the notes area of the PR where adjusting the length of one note affects all those selected.
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jens wrote: Bones mentioned - e.g. he complains that you have to use a keyboard shortcut for inserting notes in the piano-roll although you only need to double-click.
Double-clicking is even more annoying. What function does a single left-click serve in the PR that is more important, or performed more often, than entering notes? Just because you're used to it doesn't make it good.
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I would prefer to be able to input notes by a single click and drag without the Alt combination.

I know the single click drag was reserved for lassoo selection and I'm not sure I know what the best compromise is, mode switching perhaps? An Alt+Click for selection instead? YIKES - that won't be popular either.

I'll survive with the double-click option for the moment I think rather than getting a headache trying to think of a better way.

Hell I sometimes even use Alt+Click+Drag for note entry. :D

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Sicklecell666 wrote:
jens wrote:just as I wrote: simply double-click in the piano-roll... :-)
I have an impossibly hard time believing that this actually needs to even be said..
I wouldn't have known to ALT-click except that its explained that way in the beginner's guide. Before I read that I had no idea how to do the simplest thing - enter a note in the piano roll. Why would I even think to double-click or ALT-click?
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BONES wrote:Why would I even think to double-click or ALT-click?
Exactly! eXT and Cubase have something in common, it seems :)

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jens wrote:who thinks a simple double-click is too much of a hassle imo shouldn't be let near any computer at all... :shrug:
BS, you are twisting the issue.

When you do something for hundreds of times, small things like that gather quite a bit of weight.

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BONES wrote:
jens wrote:crtl+a or lassoing/multi selecting - it's up to you what notes to edit... - this behaviour is clearly far superior to always being able to edit the velocity of all notes ;-)
Why is it? Its not like I could accidentally edit velocities I didn't want to for any reason. It is a completely redundant, unnecessary step. It doesn't make sense to select multiple notes just to be able to edit them individually and is inconsistent with the behaviour in the notes area of the PR where adjusting the length of one note affects all those selected.
Imagine you recorded a typical piano-pattern. - the bass with the left hand and chords/melody with the right hand.

Later on while mixing your song you notice that the bass of the piano is too loud. - now you can simply open the piano-roll, lasso only the notes you played with the left hand and quickly correct the velocity.

:wink:

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Also, I hate having to use both hands to control my sequencer.

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cptgone wrote:
jens wrote:
visa tapani wrote:Right on. There's no escaping the fact that *both* double-clicking and alt-clicking notes in are ridiculously clumsy when compared to a simple single-click...
who thinks a simple double-click is too much of a hassle imo shouldn't be let near any computer at all... :shrug:
I disagree Jens. I recently used the eXT seq and this behaviour bothered me too. Slightly, that is.
and I always thought I am the laziest user ever... :?

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you can edit all note velocities by not having any notes selected, simple.

if you have any notes selected, only those notes velocities can be edited.

Your annoyance probably stems from having the last note you entered stay selected, so just click on empty space in the piano roll to deselect all notes.

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BONES wrote: Why is it? Its not like I could accidentally edit velocities I didn't want to for any reason. It is a completely redundant, unnecessary step. It doesn't make sense to select multiple notes just to be able to edit them individually and is inconsistent with the behaviour in the notes area of the PR where adjusting the length of one note affects all those selected.
I'm not sure I understand.

Adjusting the velocity of one note does affect all those notes selected. In that way I would have said it was perfectly consistent with the note length in the piano roll.

Am I misunderstanding the complaint?

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visa tapani wrote:
jens wrote:who thinks a simple double-click is too much of a hassle imo shouldn't be let near any computer at all... :shrug:
BS, you are twisting the issue.

When you do something for hundreds of times, small things like that gather quite a bit of weight.
Whenb you do it hundreds of times you are doing something wrong...

- when you need to insert several notes at once then you should use the composer...

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Stupid double-post!
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WOW! Triple post.
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BONES wrote:]
What if I want to go through note by note and slightly randomise the velocity of each note [one of my favourite and most use modulation tricks]? Select one note, change its velocity. Select the next note, change its velocity. Select the next note, change its velocity. Select the next note, change its velocity. Select the next note, change its velocity. Select the next note, change its velocity. Select the next note, change its velocity. Select the next note, change its velocity. Select the next note, change its velocity. Select the next note, change its velocity. Select the next note, change its velocity. Select the next note, change its velocity. Select the next note, change its velocity. Select the next note, change its velocity. Select the next note, change its velocity. Select the next note, change its velocity. OK, that's the first bar done. Move on to the next bar and repeat. Great f**king workflow that.
you could do it like this, or of course you could just use the composer instead, dickhead! ;-)

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