So you didn't bother reading the part where he said he didn't want to buy anything?jupiter8 wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2025 1:00 pmI'm going to be the odd man out and recommend a hardware synthesizer. Get a secondhand Behringer mono. They go for the price of a decent plugin. The setup is a tad more complicated than just using a plugin but the immedacy of hardware can't be beat imo. You'll learn way quicker, at least i did.
Synth for learning how to use a Synthesizer
- GRRRRRRR!
- 17860 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere you're not!
That's another really stupid idea. That GUI is intimidating to me, with 40+ years of experience, how the hell is someone with no experience supposed to find their way around it? Do you people even have brains?
NOVAkILL : Legion GO, AMD Z1x, 16GB RAM, Win11 | Audient EVO 8 | Lumi Keys | Studio Pro 8
Korg Odyssey, bx-oberhausen, Proxima, PolyMax, GR8, JP6K, Union, Atomika,
Invader 2, Flow Motion, Olga, TRK 01, Thorn, Spire, VG Iron
Korg Odyssey, bx-oberhausen, Proxima, PolyMax, GR8, JP6K, Union, Atomika,
Invader 2, Flow Motion, Olga, TRK 01, Thorn, Spire, VG Iron
- KVRAF
- 9593 posts since 17 Sep, 2002 from Gothenburg Sweden
No i only read the part where he did'nt want to buy another plugin.BONES wrote: Tue Mar 04, 2025 11:56 pm So you didn't bother reading the part where he said he didn't want to buy anything?
- GRRRRRRR!
- 17860 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere you're not!
Oh, right, and you thought that meant he'd be open to spending even more money on a hardware synth. Yeah, that makes perfect f**king sense.
NOVAkILL : Legion GO, AMD Z1x, 16GB RAM, Win11 | Audient EVO 8 | Lumi Keys | Studio Pro 8
Korg Odyssey, bx-oberhausen, Proxima, PolyMax, GR8, JP6K, Union, Atomika,
Invader 2, Flow Motion, Olga, TRK 01, Thorn, Spire, VG Iron
Korg Odyssey, bx-oberhausen, Proxima, PolyMax, GR8, JP6K, Union, Atomika,
Invader 2, Flow Motion, Olga, TRK 01, Thorn, Spire, VG Iron
- KVRian
- 612 posts since 20 Mar, 2015 from Nerima, Tokyo
The oscillator goes into the filter.
Amp envelope controls the general volume.
The other envelope/lfo traditionally control the filter movement, but they can modulate many things.
Voilà. You can move on to massive x.
Amp envelope controls the general volume.
The other envelope/lfo traditionally control the filter movement, but they can modulate many things.
Voilà. You can move on to massive x.
- KVRAF
- 2860 posts since 10 Jul, 2008 from Orbit SW US
Wow, gotta love all the suggestions to "buy another synth". WTF? Take the advice to use Super 8, Monark, then OG Massive, then Massive X. Whatever you do, don't buy anything else (you already posted that you don't want to, good idea).
I'd suggest RTFM, then watch hours of YuTubers, some of which will be a complete waste of time, some will be good. And take the advice of George Clinton, Parliament Funkadelic, paraphrasing "You gotta play with it.""
I'd suggest RTFM, then watch hours of YuTubers, some of which will be a complete waste of time, some will be good. And take the advice of George Clinton, Parliament Funkadelic, paraphrasing "You gotta play with it.""
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- KVRAF
- 9131 posts since 28 Apr, 2013
Since you have it already, add Harmless to those for the same reason.
While Monark and Super 8 are simple to grasp synths, the extra steps of getting to them through the Reaktor causes me to dismiss them.
Adding free or cheap synths should definitely be an avenue to explore.
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- KVRian
- 1411 posts since 1 Jul, 2023
I don't think using a model D Emulation is actually that useful for learning basic subtractive software synthesis, if only for the slightly non-standard nomenclature (Contour instead of envelope, Emphasis instead of resonance) and not having a true ADSR. Functionally, it doesn't make a difference what things are called but I don't know that someone who got super familiar with a Moog is going to be able to instantly program Massive X. I still don't feel all that confident using Monark or Mini V despite having spent hours in Falcon.
I learned using Reason Subtractor and Malstrom and it was all I had for years. These two are great examples because they cover most of the territory. You've got very simple FM with Subtractor, you can do PWM and quite awful sounding acid lines. Malstrom gets you scannong wavetables (or grain tables but f**ked if know the difference) and somewhat more modulation sourves/destinations. The downside is that Subtractor sounds really bad, especially when cranking the resonance. But if you can coax good sounds from it, you can probably get good stuff elsewhere, too.
I get the idea behind suggesting simple synths to learn on, but I would be surprised if many here learned using a Model D. Massive X is certainly not a beginners synth, but I would have no qualms suggesting Vital, Hive2, or Spire.
I learned using Reason Subtractor and Malstrom and it was all I had for years. These two are great examples because they cover most of the territory. You've got very simple FM with Subtractor, you can do PWM and quite awful sounding acid lines. Malstrom gets you scannong wavetables (or grain tables but f**ked if know the difference) and somewhat more modulation sourves/destinations. The downside is that Subtractor sounds really bad, especially when cranking the resonance. But if you can coax good sounds from it, you can probably get good stuff elsewhere, too.
I get the idea behind suggesting simple synths to learn on, but I would be surprised if many here learned using a Model D. Massive X is certainly not a beginners synth, but I would have no qualms suggesting Vital, Hive2, or Spire.
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- KVRAF
- 9131 posts since 28 Apr, 2013
My first synths I learned on were a Korg K-1, then a Moog Model D, and then a SC Pro-One. And the ProOne was in the shop so often I ended up switching back and forth with an ARP Odyssey and an Axxe. And I was quite at home when I got my Memorymoog. From there I started working music stores and had to jump in to whatever was in stock. I don't really think there's a wrong synth to start with, but simple is a good foundation to grow from. Or just take one part of any synth to get behind and its relationship to the next one. It'll happen as long as you don't get hung up on whether it was the right one or not.
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- KVRAF
- 2719 posts since 2 Jul, 2010
In Audio Damage's "legacy" (i.e. free-of-charge but no longer supported) plugin archive is "Basic" which was explicitly intended to be a good beginner synth. https://www.audiodamage.com/pages/free-and-legacy
There's a review here if you want to see the UI.
https://www.musicradar.com/reviews/tech ... sic-609705
There's a review here if you want to see the UI.
https://www.musicradar.com/reviews/tech ... sic-609705
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barant_the_jammer barant_the_jammer https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=743727
- KVRer
- 7 posts since 2 Mar, 2025
A simple training modular is modular1 at https://barant.com/modular1
