Is the core library the same for BFD3.5 and BFD3.4.5.28?

[telecharge]

It still promises to be a good buy as I cannot think of any other plugin with such good value for money for realistic drums.

There's an old saying that Linux is only free if your time has no value.

I feel like that sentiment applies here.

[paramita123]

It still promises to be a good buy as I cannot think of any other plugin with such good value for money for realistic drums.

There's an old saying that Linux is only free if your time has no value.

I feel like that sentiment applies here.

I think I know what you mean
And since I've been using and buying plugins for years the time I did waste indeed is considerable, which is why I am trying to be more selective and restrict GAS !
I want flexible, natural and precise drums for my blend of rock/pop/triphop.

I bought and like UJAM Legend. I used MT powerdrums for years but want more options.
I bought NI Komplete 14 and hate the NI drummers UI.

The $200-$300 alternatives feel too expensive for my budget, so I hope more people can pitch in and share their views of BFD 3.5 !

[telecharge]

The $200-$300 alternatives feel too expensive for my budget, so I hope more people can pitch in and share their views of BFD 3.5 !

I hear you. BFD sounds great, that's why I keep it installed. Whether it is worth the hassle or not is, of course, a personal choice.

For anyone who decides to update, you should know...

• The inMusic Software Center says the Core Library version is 1.0, but it is actually v1.0.0.11 from 08 Aug 2024
• It will automatically delete the Core Library installation folder, so if you don't want to download that 50GB again, back it up before installing

[sonidomolino]

but it's not resizable?
...all the development seems to be going into new licensing systems and the BFD Player line.

it's "resizable", but not "scalable". There's a handle in the LRH corner.

BFD has always been top of the line drum sw for 'power' users given the detailed capability it offered. The BFD Player line looks like a move to capture a tier of users who might not have heard of it given the time spent in limbo and might be more interested in just getting on with it than tweaking sounds. Also looks like they were testing out the revamped UI code.
...
managed to solve my installation issues by re-downloading/re-installing the Core library. Over 2 hrs each time, would sure like to know why you have to install a core library to be able to use your -user- presets. It could have something to do with older content (bfd2) in the core dir that didn't "authorize" on the initial scan. fyi, deleted anything that failed before the reinstall.

good news is all expansions (including 3rd party) are now authorized and usable.

bad news is the licensing system has managed to make the user experience the worst out of anything we use
- you now have to log in to an InMusic account before you can use it.
- you can only use it online, no more off line.
- it checks product authorizations every time you load a project which takes longer than actually loading the project (smh)
...
so... a hard pass from a long time user. the only thing they could do to make it worse is go subscription only, and wouldn't put it past InMusic given their reputation and track record with BFD. will keep it installed for now to support any existing projects, but we've been starting anything new with SD3 given all the issues with the previous license manager. it's a pity, as we've always preferred it over all (even SD3 although the latest expansions have gotten a lot better), but there is no way we can justify investing any time/effort in a tool with a priority on disruptive "authorization features". ymmv.

[KIMCHRISTOPHER]

but it's not resizable?
...all the development seems to be going into new licensing systems and the BFD Player line.

it's "resizable", but not "scalable". There's a handle in the LRH corner.

BFD has always been top of the line drum sw for 'power' users given the detailed capability it offered. The BFD Player line looks like a move to capture a tier of users who might not have heard of it given the time spent in limbo and might be more interested in just getting on with it than tweaking sounds. Also looks like they were testing out the revamped UI code.
...
managed to solve my installation issues by re-downloading/re-installing the Core library. Over 2 hrs each time, would sure like to know why you have to install a core library to be able to use your -user- presets. It could have something to do with older content (bfd2) in the core dir that didn't "authorize" on the initial scan. fyi, deleted anything that failed before the reinstall.

good news is all expansions (including 3rd party) are now authorized and usable.

bad news is the licensing system has managed to make the user experience the worst out of anything we use
- you now have to log in to an InMusic account before you can use it.
- you can only use it online, no more off line.
- it checks product authorizations every time you load a project which takes longer than actually loading the project (smh)
...
so... a hard pass from a long time user. the only thing they could do to make it worse is go subscription only, and wouldn't put it past InMusic given their reputation and track record with BFD. will keep it installed for now to support any existing projects, but we've been starting anything new with SD3 given all the issues with the previous license manager. it's a pity, as we've always preferred it over all (even SD3 although the latest expansions have gotten a lot better), but there is no way we can justify investing any time/effort in a tool with a priority on disruptive "authorization features". ymmv.

I couldn't agree more. This issue of authorization is the most amateurish path they could have chosen. Something that impacts the user who pays for the software is yet another crazy thing in the software world, while those who use pirated tools (and there will always be those) don't have this kind of problem.

Unfortunately, I think Inmusic won't listen to its users... I've already sent messages to support reporting this situation and I don't even know if an email saying "we received your message" was sent. Regrettable.

[telecharge]

it's "resizable", but not "scalable". There's a handle in the LRH corner.

Thanks...if only I could get to it.

My display resolution is 1920 x 1080 -- about as standard as you get. It seems I would need to change display settings or connect a different monitor to be able to resize.

[jancivil]

per the authorization, after using the machine I use as a slave via VE Pro to download a new acquisition, it made me reauthorize everything on my main machine.

It will be fixed. I have zero insight into why it still exists this way, other than inMusic is across-the-board nowt but a bad idea, but I would buy before it goes back to 200 bucks.

Logging in every 90 days was ok though I don't mark time in spans of that length so well and I'd guess I'm not alone in this, but this is ludicrous.

a note for the future: inMusic support is absolutely useless. I don't mean 'for BFD Drums' I mean forget about it. I bought an AKAI controller about a year ago, which does not do what it's claimed to do and they only pretended to care after I'd had my bank take my money back. They lied about it, saying it was my fault for not checking compatibility, when their site said plainly, Sonoma OS is supported. That wasn't even the issue, it's just not a full fledged MIDI controller. It was like a satire of bad support.

[jens]

So this was beta-tested, huh?

[jens]

There's a handle in the LRH corner.

Except that this handle might very well be outside the screen's boundaries without much of a chance to access it at all - GUI improvement, huh? What an epic fail! Can you imagine people got actually paid for coding this?

[jancivil]

- you can only use it online, no more off line.

This is not true.

it checks product authorizations every time you load a project which takes longer than actually loading the project (smh)

Here if wifi is on it takes 30 to 40 seconds. With wifi off it doesn't do this. It says it does the check but it took like a second. The preset I loaded subsequently happened fast AF. The performance is actually stellar.

But for anyone that acquires this, know what you're doing, inMusic knows basically nothing about BFD Drums in my experience thus far. Ask somebody on a forum or that if stumped.

[jens]

Dead product is dead - I guess this update is the last nail in the coffin.

[pchase]

- you can only use it online, no more off line.

This is not true.

it checks product authorizations every time you load a project which takes longer than actually loading the project (smh)

Here if wifi is on it takes 30 to 40 seconds. With wifi off it doesn't do this. It says it does the check but it took like a second. The preset I loaded subsequently happened fast AF. The performance is actually stellar.

But for anyone that acquires this, know what you're doing, inMusic knows basically nothing about BFD Drums in my experience thus far. Ask somebody on a forum or that if stumped.

Wow, same here. That's ridiculous. I wonder how long it lasts offline before refusing to work... is it still 90 days? Of course it's not specified anywhere and clear as mud.

[jancivil]

There's a handle in the LRH corner.

Except that this handle might very well be outside the screen's boundaries without much of a chance to access it at all - GUI improvement, huh? What an epic fail! Can you imagine people got actually paid for coding this?

My sequencing machine is the entry level MacBook Air, 13.3" horizontally. The edges are not visible and can't be. There would be no point because it doesn't contract, it can only be made larger. It's tantamount to unusable on that display.
It's a good look on my 27" 1440p display.

There sure appears to be a skeleton crew the entirety of the inMusic reign. I can say this now, the beta is done (NB: there has been no announcement), it was in beta since last summer. I signed on in August.

[jancivil]

My memory is foggy on this, but Drew was talking the same 90 days before the beta, speculating on what is possible.
Hands are tied, this is a decision from inMusic, the development hasn't real independence, the 90 days iirc had to be fought for, iirc it was 30 before.

[jancivil]

Dead product is dead - I guess this update is the last nail in the coffin.

If I needed a drumset right now in my current project I'd be using it.
with my wifi turned off.

I'm glad I kept up with this thread, I learned that from fact-checking 'won't work offline'.