For you, what’s more important—the journey or the destination? And for your DAW?

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Under logical cross-examination, Meta's AI chatbot admitted to me that it was deliberately deceiving users into believing it had good human judgment, while in reality its judgment is highly biased as a result of the lack of diversity among its algo programmers. This thread is a preview of such "next-level-nonsense" we can look forward to as humans let AI do our thinking and then defend its silly results.

I should copy the original ChatGPT conversation here now, but let's just say that I stated my opinion. I tried to figure out what bothers me about Ableton Live beyond the fact that devices are not in the mixer. I even posted this in the AL beta test forum. My idea was to identify what I subconsciously dislike about AL and Studio One, and ChatGPT’s task was to refute this... that there's a table at the end, let that not mislead anyone..but, it might just be that their UI is as ugly as sin!

And now that we've discussed these oh-so-important questions and brought the usual personal attacks to the KVRAudio level, please, back on topic, so far, o far, we’ve established that every DAW is the same, and AI is just an evlil talking parrot(Jago from Aladdin) - I already knew that.

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And even so, it has more sensible responses. Alright, I won’t go on the offensive Don't be rude, stay on topic, please please please

Thank you for such a good example of “next-level-nonsense”!

We can open a debate about this too, Woody Allen 's quote."Confidence is what you have before you understand the problem, or the avarage IQ level of the different DAW users, Bitwig group

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nah, will the forum stick to its usual average—3 pages, 2 meaningful comments, last chance

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lol that was painful to watch yet still somewhat funny.
"Evangelical Linuxers" pushing Ardour LOL

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Regarding the subject line: Like most things in life, the most important thing looking forward is the destination, but the most important thing looking back is the journey.

Most people will ...

Unless you can prove that someone doesn't really have an expressed belief or impression, it is extremely difficult to come up with a valid counter-argument.

the minute I see the premise for an argumentative point or gesture is "Most people will"
I'm tuning out. Most people haven't a real thought in their head & never have.

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The story behind this is that I spent a few hours messing around with Ableton Live again, but I kept feeling that it's very much a 'get it done' type of DAW. While that's efficient, it can also take away from exploration, the playfulness of sound design, and the joy of creation.

What a load of absolute f**king bollocks! How can you experience the true "joy of creation" if you never finish anything? All you're getting is "the joy of being a few hours closer to death".

Since we know other DAWs, we can also judge ChatGPT's response from this perspective

I think it says a whole lot more about the shit that goes through your head than anything else.

(Of course, with plugins like Reaktor, you can push any DAW out of its original classification, but overall, the categorizations are pretty accurate.)

Maybe for your definition of goal-oriented or path-oriented but not for mine. Any DAW should be flexible enough to be either, or both at once, depending on where you are in the process and where you want to end up. If yours is not, then I suggest that is not the DAWs problem, but the way you approach the process, be it work or play or whatever.

Regarding the subject line: Like most things in life, the most important thing looking forward is the destination, but the most important thing looking back is the journey.

Another sickening Hallmark moment, brought to you by... Seriously, that's the sort of New Age bullshit a friend's hippie mother would have had stuck to the fridge door with a couple of magnets when I was a school kid.

I'm not naive idealist who go full idiot mode.

So you're "full idiot" all the time, then?

When Bitwig arrived, it was inspiring even before we got the Grid…

Interesting because I found Bitwig v2 to be the opposite, largely because of the uninspiring stock tools it comes with. To be fair, if I'd had the collection of plugins I do today, I might have felt differently about it but at the time I'd been using Orion for more than 15 years, where I relied on the stock instruments for at least half the sounds and stock effects for almost everything. There were probably less than a dozen 3rd party plugins that we ever used in Orion, apart from my own SynthEdit creations.

I get inspired by sound, not by features. If an instrument sounds good, it doesn't need a whole lot of features to inspire me. OTOH, if the core sound doesn't grab me, no amount of modulation or other features is going to fix that. Pigments is the perfect example - they can add as much shit to it as they like but it will never address the reason I never use it, which is that its core sound doesn't stand up in a mix to a lot of other synths I have. It's not really something I can quantify. I used to use Pigments a bit when it first came out but over the next year or so, I replaced it with other synths in every part I'd used it. Whichever synth I used it always did a better job. I used to be the same with Hive 2, until I got hold of a 3rd party skin for it that made the workflow a lot less painful, which allowed me to dial in the sweet spots more easily, but Pigments' workflow is actually really good, so it's not that.

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I think most of should just focus on beginnings. Everything else will follow from that.

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So you're Caveman Loui the megatroll, the almighty guru of all things obvious TL;DR: Here's how much of that was actually on-topic. Alright folks, time to put this topic to rest...back to the regularly scheduled 'Reaper themes' discussions!