Software vs Hardware

[BBFG#]

Don't forget the vinegar.

[IvyBirds]

Don't forget the vinegar.

Vinegar is made because yeast turns sugars into alcohol they die in the process, and then bacteria turn that alcohol into acetic acid which again kills them

Literally millions of living things died in the process of making your ketchup

Ketchup is murder, tasty, tasty, murder

[BBFG#]

Some made with a chemical acceleration and some with added sulfites also.

[mixyguy2]

I see you are embarrassing yourself again. What I said is that a piano is a layered sound.

Except it isn't (inherently). Certainly hitting a single note isn't. Pot meet kettle.

Again I am sorry you lack basic reading skills

And I am sorry you lack basic music skills and have this odd concept of what sound layering is that nobody else has. But you're no doubt sure you're right and everyone else is wrong.

I'm always fascinated how often arrogance and stupidity go together.

See there's something you know now.

[mixyguy2]

The idea is to move on from tweaking synths and start actually making music,

Not for everyone!

Only for about 99.9%ish of us.

[vurt]

The idea is to move on from tweaking synths and start actually making music,

Not for everyone!

Only for about 99.9%ish of us.

tweak on!!

[elxsound]

I see you are embarrassing yourself again. What I said is that a piano is a layered sound.

Except it isn't (inherently). Certainly hitting a single note isn't. Pot meet kettle.

Again I am sorry you lack basic reading skills

And I am sorry you lack basic music skills and have this odd concept of what sound layering is that nobody else has. But you're no doubt sure you're right and everyone else is wrong.

I'm always fascinated how often arrogance and stupidity go together.

See there's something you know now.

Always fun when people are calling out each other’s intelligence levels.

An interesting thing about pianos is there are 3 strings per each key, so not 1 note/1 harmonic kinda thing. It’s not a sine wave. There’s even a separate pedal on some to only strike one or two of those strings.

Yeah, not the modern use of layering, but someone could argue otherwise for days if people like that kinda thing.

Here’s a video that might be better when high? I think these along with yard cleaning, home improvement became a big thing during the pandemic? Maybe it’s therapy for others?

[IvyBirds]

I see you are embarrassing yourself again. What I said is that a piano is a layered sound.

Except it isn't (inherently). Certainly hitting a single note isn't. Pot meet kettle.

Again I am sorry you lack basic reading skills

And I am sorry you lack basic music skills and have this odd concept of what sound layering is that nobody else has. But you're no doubt sure you're right and everyone else is wrong.

I'm always fascinated how often arrogance and stupidity go together.

See there's something you know now.

I see you are doubling down on your lack of logic and reason

For you if you press a single key on a piano than it's not layering different sounds, so if I make a patch in Omnisphere with a multiple layers does the patch suddenly and magically not have layers if I press a single key?

If I make a layered patch where the first layer is for the attack, the second is for the sustain, the third for the decay and release is that suddenly not a layered patch if I press a single key?

If I make a patch on a DX7 using three stacks of two operates creating three layers of 2op FM in the same patch is that not a layered patch if I press one key?

If I play a patch on the Jupiter 8 that is Bi-timbral is that not a layered patch if I press a single key and play a single note?

If I play a patch on the D50 that uses a sample for the attack and a VA wave for the rest is that not a layered patch if I press a single Key and play a single note?

If I play a patch on the Prophet VS that uses all 4 vector points and press a single key and trigger a single note is that not a layered patch? If not why does the sound change when I move a joystick?

Shall I post a video of a world class sound designer who developed many factory patches for Yamaha taking about he designed patches exactly this way?

Shall we talk about countless BiTimbral and multi timbral Synths for the past 40+ years have used layers as part of their sound design?

Shall we talk how genre defining Synths in the 1980s like the Synclavier II, DX7, and D50 are based upon layers being used in sound design exactly the way the acoustic piano does with different sound generation engines for the attack sustain and release?

I suggest you actually learn how sounds are created in the natural world if you care at all about creating sounds in the synthesized sound world

[IvyBirds]

An interesting thing about pianos is there are 3 strings per each key, so not 1 note/1 harmonic kinda thing. It’s not a sine wave. There’s even a separate pedal on some to only strike one or two of those strings.

Very true at least for the non bass notes, I have in my living room and old Wing and Son upright grand theater piano that's over 110 years old. It actually has two extra pedals that insert brass rings between the hammers and the strings to make it sound kind of like a harpsichord/ragtime hybrid, and the other a mandolin

You can see one exactly like mine in this video (not my video)



That most certainly is a layered timbre even if you just press a key

[elxsound]

@IvyBird. There sometimes is a generalization that layering is a modern technique, that it has nothing to do with synthesis or sound design. It’s likely being mentioned here as a production technique, not synthesis, or layering sounds in a single patch.

It’s not new, or modern but no use in arguing that.

So the back and forth can go on forever because everyone is right in their own way and wrong in a different way, depending on who’s context or what meaning is applied. But, fun stuff at all times.

And lovely upright!

[cryophonik]

Yup, but it shouldn’t even need explaining. Anybody who has made music for any period of time should have realized that from the first mention of the word. Some of these guys are just looking for excuses to argue.

[IvyBirds]

@IvyBird. There sometimes is a generalization that layering is a modern technique, that it has nothing to do with synthesis or sound design. It’s likely being mentioned here as a production technique, not synthesis, or layering sounds in a single patch.

It’s not new, or modern but no use in arguing that.

Yup, but it shouldn’t even need explaining. Anybody who has made music for any period of time should have realized that from the first mention of the word. Some of these guys are just looking for excuses to argue.

You must have missed the original layering quote I was responding to when I talked about how layers are an important part of sound design and how even a piano is a layered sound

1. Layering is for those that can't program synths properly. No need for it whatsoever - maybe the fact you use presets so much is why your sounds are so thin?

So do you agree with this quote? Don't you think that yes he actually was talking about using it in synthesis as a single patch?

How else should one interpret the idea that layers are for those who can't program Synths properly?

[whyterabbyt]

Don't be stupid.

No, the stupidity was yours, which is why it was being corrected. Go on, tell us again that lettuce is just lettuce, potatoes are just potatoes and tomato ketchup is just tomatoes.

You cant even get the ingredients right, tomato ketchup has vinegar in it.

That's what the fuckwits who market their tomato sauce as "vegan" would have you believe. Well done you for being gullible enough to swallow that shit. You don't really think that they put table sugar into products like sauce, though, do you? They'll use the cheapest, shittiest krap they can get their hands on. In the US, where bone char is used to enhance the colour and clarity of table sugar, they likely use high fructose corn syrup anyway, not actual sugar.

Ah, of course. You'll always say the world isnt the way it is, just to ensure you cant be wrong. How predictably f**king tedious of you, Trumpian to the last.

[El°HYM]

Vegan Ketchup is also delicious!

What has me done.

[whyterabbyt]

Vegan Ketchup is also delicious!

What has me done.

provided another set of data supporting the assertion that BONES thinks he's the person who defines how the world works for everything.