ANA2 vs DUNE 3 vs similiar

[TS-12]

btw, can someone recreate ( or get as close as possible ) Dune's first preset "001 Adrenaline KS" in ANA2 ( but without the arpeggiator ) ?
Wonder how it will sound in ANA2 ( especially that many say that ANA2 sounds fatter ).

[BONES]

I was using fullness in the audiophile sense, not as in stacking oscillators. Stacking oscillators in Dune does not achieve the same sonic/audio effect/perception as the fullness or "oomph" or visceral midbass/low mids "phatness" of ANA 2.

In that sense I'd be even more inclined to go with DUNE over ANA. That said, I think the difference is so insignificant that it's not worth making any distinction between them. It will come down to individual use cases, which is why we have and use both, but if it came down to it I could replace any instance of one with the other and it wouldn't make any real difference.

The ANA 2 patch is much fuller/phatter/visceral sounding than the Dune 3 patch. If I add a sub on Osc 3 then the ANA 2 patch is even more visceral and "phat" than the Dune 3 patch.

Those two patches sound nothing alike. The DUNE one would be great for a bassline in a song, the ANA one is a more dated sound that you could use as a standalone arp, either a bassline or a melody. They are absolutely nothing alike and you wouldn't try to use them for the same things. The DUNE patch has a nice, fat bottom end which the ANA one lacks and it tends to fall apart in the lower registers, where the DUNE patch continues to deliver. But it's all in the programming, it's not anything endemic to either instrument.

I am a lowly preset tweaker. You pride yourself on your sound design. I would love if you could produce a Dune 3 patch that undeniably demonstrates your assertion that Dune 3 is fuller than ANA 2, as in visceral midbass/low mids authority.

I mostly tweak presets, too. I don't often have the time or the interest to create patches from scratch, except on really simple instruments like JP6k or TRK-01 Bass. Working from other people's presets opens up a whole world of possibilities my tiny, limited brain would never think to even try. I see it as another opportunity to collaborate, to let others have input into the final result. The more of that you can get into your work, the better the end result. If I do it all myself, it ultimately ends up all sounding a bit samey.

I've gravitated towards Dune over most other synths for general use, but playing again with ANA 2 I notice the filter drive sounds really good in a beastly way. I like the Dune filters a lot, but the ANA 2 drive seems to really growl rather than just saturating. Last time I was playing with the Icarus demo I was impressed with the filter versatility, but driving them seemed to just result a square wave. I don't have experience with real analog synths but ANA 2's drive sounds to me how I imagine it should.

ANA's certainly goes up to 11, which can be handy but I find DUNE's filters to be a lot easier to work with. In ANA, tiny changes to a parameter can have a big effect, whereas DUNE seems easier to dial in perfectly. All of ANA's saturation/drive/distortion "circuits" are top notch, though, it's what initially attracted me to the instrument.

[HTT]

The ANA 2 patch is much fuller/phatter/visceral sounding than the Dune 3 patch. If I add a sub on Osc 3 then the ANA 2 patch is even more visceral and "phat" than the Dune 3 patch.

Those two patches sound nothing alike. The DUNE one would be great for a bassline in a song, the ANA one is a more dated sound that you could use as a standalone arp, either a bassline or a melody. They are absolutely nothing alike and you wouldn't try to use them for the same things. The DUNE patch has a nice, fat bottom end which the ANA one lacks and it tends to fall apart in the lower registers, where the DUNE patch continues to deliver. But it's all in the programming, it's not anything endemic to either instrument.

Yes, they do sound different. That was my point. Apparently, both patches were to emulate the ST arp. The Dune example is weaksauce and lacking in the midbass/lower mids. The ANA 2 example is darn thicc and good. To each their own.

[seafire]

btw, can someone recreate ( or get as close as possible ) Dune's first preset "001 Adrenaline KS" in ANA2 ( but without the arpeggiator ) ?
Wonder how it will sound in ANA2 ( especially that many say that ANA2 sounds fatter ).

Do you want to recreate the sound because you like it? If so, you want it to sound identical don't you?

Saying 'wonder how it will sound in ANA2' seems strange, it should sound as close as possible if done by anyone with a reasonable amount of synth knowledge

[cake builder]

I was using fullness in the audiophile sense, not as in stacking oscillators. Stacking oscillators in Dune does not achieve the same sonic/audio effect/perception as the fullness or "oomph" or visceral midbass/low mids "phatness" of ANA 2. For example, compare two similar sounding patches from Dune 3 and ANA 2, based on the Stranger Things sequence. The patch name in Dune is Bass Stomps. The patch has 5 saws detuned on Osc 1, a single square on Osc 2, and a saw (sub?) on Osc 3. Meanwhile, in ANA 2, the patch is titled, ST Juno Arp. The patch has a single Jupiter saw on Osc 1, and a single PWM square wave on Osc 2. The ANA 2 patch is much fuller/phatter/visceral sounding than the Dune 3 patch. If I add a sub on Osc 3 then the ANA 2 patch is even more visceral and "phat" than the Dune 3 patch.

All the DUNE slander got me curious so I pulled up both patches to test your assertions.

The DUNE patch you're referencing has no OSC 3 in the mixer so it is just the two oscillators. The ANA2 patch you're referring to has a square wave sub on OSC 1 as well as a different filter than the DUNE patch. These are quite possibly contributing to your perception that DUNE is 'weaksauce' and I think it ultimately comes down to differences in the sound design of these patches and not any inherent flaw in the instruments.

[TS-12]

btw, can someone recreate ( or get as close as possible ) Dune's first preset "001 Adrenaline KS" in ANA2 ( but without the arpeggiator ) ?
Wonder how it will sound in ANA2 ( especially that many say that ANA2 sounds fatter ).

Do you want to recreate the sound because you like it? If so, you want it to sound identical don't you?

yes

[seafire]

Ok, so why can't you do that? Are you not familiar with synth programming, or is you tried and can't get close?

[Hyperbole]

I really like that first preset in Dune 3 "Adrenaline KS" ( but without the arp of course )

That kind of pluck / synth type sound is what I want more of.
Pretty much a synth that will cover Pop / EDM / 2000s Trance category

I think Spire has the best pluck sounds other than maybe the Virus. Spire's pluck presets are very punchy and hard-hitting but never venture into "Industrial" territory. On the downside, Spire can sound a tad thin at times. But it always sounds musical to me. Spire sort of sounds like a cross between the Virus and Dune (with maybe a bit of Sylenth thrown in). And as has been mentioned, there are a gazillion good-sounding presets for Spire. That's the one I would get.

But if you haven't checked out u-he's Hive 2, that's another one to consider. It's easy to create good-sounding plucks in Hive.

[cake builder]

btw, can someone recreate ( or get as close as possible ) Dune's first preset "001 Adrenaline KS" in ANA2 ( but without the arpeggiator ) ?
Wonder how it will sound in ANA2 ( especially that many say that ANA2 sounds fatter ).

You can't really get a 1:1 recreation of that sound because ANA2 only goes up to 9 voices of unison and the DUNE patch uses at least 11 on both oscillators. The DUNE patch also has 4 layers so you would have to run 4 instances of ANA2.

You could probably get pretty close but not identical.

[kvotchin]

Yeah, from what you’ve said, OP, get Dune. Great synth anyway, and it does look like it’ll be more to your liking.

I suppose, alternatively, you could consider others too, such as Serum 2 or Pigments.

[martiu]

dune is great but ana is greater

[BONES]

Apparently, both patches were to emulate the ST arp. The Dune example is weaksauce and lacking in the midbass/lower mids.

You must be deaf, mate. There is a way more bottom end in the DUNE patch, it's the ANA patch that sounds weak and thin in the lower mids and bass by comparison. The other thing is that they are the kinds of workaday sounds you can make with any freebie, not something you'd need to trot out a big synth like ANA or DUNE for. If they are both trying to sound like Stranger Things, then the failure is 100% in the programming, not any kind of indication of the strengths or weaknesses of the instruments. But I can guarantee that the DUNE one was never designed to sound like Stranger Things. If Kevin Schroeder wanted it to sound like Stranger Things, it would sound exactly like Stranger Things. And, like the ANA patch, don't you think he'd have used the same arp pattern if that's what he was trying to do?

The ANA 2 example is darn thicc and good. To each their own.

It's got absolutely nothing to f**king do with that. It either is or it isn't and, as you can see from this image, the DUNE sound has more oomph at about 70Hz and below than the ANA sound. ANA has a broader spread but that's because it's filter is more open, where DUNE's has a lower cutoff and a punchier envelope modulating it. It is all in the programming.

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Overall, I am surprised how similar their spectra are, given how completely different they sound. I'd have expected a lot less higher up in the DUNE patch.

[hcv242]

I have dune and ana. dune sounds better, more like a real synth - whatever that means. ana 2 sounds plastic (words that can be interpreted in so many ways). i prefer dune's sound, but in the end i use ana, because i like the interface better. i can make sounds much faster in ana. everything is in its right place and is easy to find. i guess the same could be said about dune's interface. it just didn't click with me.

[ROTMetro]

I have dune and ana. dune sounds better, more like a real synth - whatever that means. ana 2 sounds plastic (words that can be interpreted in so many ways). i prefer dune's sound, but in the end i use ana, because i like the interface better. i can make sounds much faster in ana. everything is in its right place and is easy to find. i guess the same could be said about dune's interface. it just didn't click with me.

I agree on sound. Dune wants to be a synth, Ana wants to be a composition tool. If I want to spend an hour or two non-verbal in musicland just playing around I grab Dune. If I want to add a part to a song I grab Ana, especially if I need a layer under something else. No idea why my brain has categorized them like that though.

[rafa1981]

Dune 3 is the best synth I have that I tend to forget about it and not use, while not wanting to.

I have to revisit why, it's one of the best sounding, very reasonable on the CPU, can go near audio rate mod, great fx, loads of filters, the patch genomics is good...