Software Hoarding

[frag]

About hoarding : it's easier to spend time downloading, buying and trying plugins than actually crafting a song until the end.
It's also easier to spend time browsing forums talking about gear and arguing about gear and hoarding than making music ..

As per the book "The art of War" this is all but a distraction. If you know it affects you, find the strength to set your path according to what you really want. Close the browser, open the DAW, throw the phone ... and craft !

That is a good observation. Personally, I have a different career, and I don't want to make any kind of crap (such as drone sound evolving 15 mins and calling it "music").
To make music I'm satisfied with would require 4 hours keyboard practice, 4 hours studying everything from Bach to Vangelis, Lady Gaga, Eminem, whatever, and then in the evening, when it all settles down in my consciousness, I would do some of my stuff
Sounds really exhausting - even unhealthy!

So I let others do it for me

[vurt]

did someone who makes drones steal your parking space?

[jethrobull]

just stop droning on will you

[IvyBirds]

See, there are two types of people who make music. There are the MUSICIANS who hear melodies and harmonies, and rhymes, and rhythms, and feel compelled to bring them into the world. And then there are the TECHNICIANS who twiddle knobs and push buttons until something interesting happens.

No one says you have to be one type over the other, and both have value. Just don't judge one by the standards of the other.

Sometimes music making involves both these aspects, but generally, I prefer the "musician" type. A meaningful composition sounds good on many instruments, across different ages, while interesting sound usually stops being interesting as soon as you install new VSTi.
"Sound is song or song is sound" is 20th century fashion, an absurdity. Sound in itself will never be "song", simply because it lacks musical structure. It might be INTERESTING, but it's definitely not a song.
But someone needed really big market, where deaf people make sounds for the deaf people. I mean, sometimes I hear tracks in which everything is out of tune, but look at that - there's a market even for that kind of "music"!

As a classically trained "musician type" I was forced to learn and perform classical music from the time I was four years old in the early 1970s

One of the things I learned was that classical composers from the past 500 years routinely wrote music for a specific timbre or sound

They wrote music for flutes, music for violins, music for pipe organs, for harpsichords, for mandolins. They wrote entire pieces of music to be performed by orchestras with specific parts for specific sounds

As a teenager in the 1980s when I began to try my own hand at composing I grew extremely frustrated by the lack of available timbres I had access to. I had specific sounds in mind that I was unable to pull off. I dreamt of the day when I had available to me the ability to synthesize what ever sound I could dream up using whatever method was available

It took 40 years but I am finally at the stage I began dreaming about in 1983, where I am able to make any sound I can dream up and plugins got me there

I don't think it's possible to separate the music from the sound of the instruments playing that music

[BBFG#]

You can actually build new timbres with an orchestra and ethnic instruments. Synths only really add a limited amount of inorganic types or expend the energy trying to replicate those.

I'll add here that this thread has got me thinking about my personal history and that while I've earned a career and finances from music and other things closely related to it, that a lot of it honestly was to justify the love of the the playing them more than the "fame or fortune" of it. I love performing, but really can't stand the audience after-fawning. And having access to a complete range of playthings along with other musicians to play with is the major part of it.

So I can compartmentalize which folders I keep them in and reach for them accordingly how I want. I think it's only hoarding when something becomes a detriment you never want to touch again but still won't let go of.

[vurt]

just stop droning on will you

[frag]

See, there are two types of people who make music. There are the MUSICIANS who hear melodies and harmonies, and rhymes, and rhythms, and feel compelled to bring them into the world. And then there are the TECHNICIANS who twiddle knobs and push buttons until something interesting happens.

No one says you have to be one type over the other, and both have value. Just don't judge one by the standards of the other.

Sometimes music making involves both these aspects, but generally, I prefer the "musician" type. A meaningful composition sounds good on many instruments, across different ages, while interesting sound usually stops being interesting as soon as you install new VSTi.
"Sound is song or song is sound" is 20th century fashion, an absurdity. Sound in itself will never be "song", simply because it lacks musical structure. It might be INTERESTING, but it's definitely not a song.
But someone needed really big market, where deaf people make sounds for the deaf people. I mean, sometimes I hear tracks in which everything is out of tune, but look at that - there's a market even for that kind of "music"!

As a classically trained "musician type" I was forced to learn and perform classical music from the time I was four years old in the early 1970s

One of the things I learned was that classical composers from the past 500 years routinely wrote music for a specific timbre or sound

They wrote music for flutes, music for violins, music for pipe organs, for harpsichords, for mandolins. They wrote entire pieces of music to be performed by orchestras with specific parts for specific sounds

As a teenager in the 1980s when I began to try my own hand at composing I grew extremely frustrated by the lack of available timbres I had access to. I had specific sounds in mind that I was unable to pull off. I dreamt of the day when I had available to me the ability to synthesize what ever sound I could dream up using whatever method was available

It took 40 years but I am finally at the stage I began dreaming about in 1983, where I am able to make any sound I can dream up and plugins got me there

I don't think it's possible to separate the music from the sound of the instruments playing that music

Well obviously you were forced to learn classical music, because you didn't get it.
Classical composers wrote scores, with suggestions which timbre is most suitable. Musical structures were thus completely separated from timbre, because the music existed primarily within SCORES(on paper) - it was impossible to record and reproduce sound!

There are many adaptions of Bach into acoustic guitar, as well as synths. Try adapting, I don't know, hard techno, abstract ambient into harpsichord, acoustic guitar or piano. It's absurd, because there is no meaningful tonal structure, only "interesting" sound.

[BBFG#]

Mixing multiple instruments will create a new timbre. (If you know how.)

[jethrobull]

just stop droning on will you

[vurt]

just stop droning on will you

[crimsonwarlock]

You can actually build new timbres with an orchestra and ethnic instruments.

Last time I tried that, preset management was a bitch

[vurt]

Mixing multiple instruments will create a new timbre. (If you know how.)

as does playing instruments in a different way, eg bowing guitars, or ebow. vibrators (yes, those ones) on any stringed instrument, or using drum sticks on strings too.

then of course theres audio fuckery, such as removing attacks, time stretching etc...

[jamcat]

Which do you prefer, fingering or vibrator?

[vurt]

Which do you prefer, fingering or vibrator?

doesnt have to be mutually exclusive.
vibrator to excite, fingers or tongue even, for note choice.

[jamcat]

Do you use your teeth like Hendrix?