Arturia V Collection - Development to Version 12

[Hyperbole]

A 1990s style VA would be a welcome addition to V collection for many so a JP-8000 would be cool. The fact it would be a giant middle finger to Roland Cloud is an added bonus

That elicited my second big laugh for the day. Yeah, Roland Cloud is basically irrelevant now, unless you own a Fantom or Jupiter-X (and why would you?). There is literally nothing that Roland Cloud offers that isn't done better by Arturia, Softube, TAL and now Acustica (although their Thing 8 emulation is a bit pricey, IMO).

The only thing of (small) value that Roland Cloud offers is Zenology Pro, which is basically just a slightly improved XV-5080 in software form. Since I had a JV-1080, then JV-2080, and finally an XV-5080 back in the day, I am familiar with those sounds, and have a slight fondness for them, even though they are cheesy and dated.

As an aside, I was playing around last night with ChatGPT and was surprised to find out that it seems to know and understand the various Synths in the Arturia V Collection quite well. You can even ask it to design patches for you and it even generates the presets along with the appropriate file to load into the various Synths

Is this for real? I am a ChatGPT-using fiend. However, I had no idea it could design patches (although I suppose that isn't a stretch since it can write code). But how would it generate the preset files? You must be pulling my leg.

[Hyperbole]

TAL is working on a JX-8P emulation with quality of life improvements! They confirmed it to me in an email and on their public BlueSky account.

As someone who sorely misses my MKS-70, this is terrific news! I emailed Patrick at TAL almost a year ago to thank him for his outstanding TAL-Pha plugin. I told him that I was a LONG-time MKS-50 user and that it is fantastic that I can load all of my patches into their spot-on emulation. I sold my MKS-50 the day after I bought TAL-Pha.

In the same email, I told him I owned every TAL plugin and tried to use that as leverage for TAL to develop JX-8P and MKS-80 emulations. LOL. He replied right away, which was nice. However, he wouldn't commit to anything at the time.

It's great to see TAL releasing excellent-sounding plugins at affordable prices (especially compared to offerings from Arturia, Roland, and Softube).

[jamcat]

TAL is working on a JX-8P emulation with quality of life improvements! They confirmed it to me in an email and on their public BlueSky account.

Any idea of the ETA on this?
I see it was confirmed by Patrick to be TAL's next release 4 months ago.

[DocAtlas]

Another 2 Augmented synths that I didn't really sign up for when I bought into V Collection 5.
It really feels like a neat sampler/romplar that I have to keep buying over and over again each time new samples are added; it should be a single synth. And while it stays in the v collection it's diluting the output of classic synth emulations.

I've played around with some of the Augmented synths, but they haven't made me feel like upgrading for the last few iterations of the V Collection. The newer non-augmented plugins haven't excited me either.

I don't see the Augmented plugins being removed from the V-Collection. According to an old post by an Arturia employee I read years ago, the V in the name never stood for vintage, but for virtual.

Still, the one vintage keyboard instrument I'd like to see them model is the pipe organ. They've done the piano, so how about the organ?

[IvyBirds]

Is this for real? I am a ChatGPT-using fiend. However, I had no idea it could design patches (although I suppose that isn't a stretch since it can write code). But how would it generate the preset files? You must be pulling my leg.

Dead serious, I pay for the $20 a month plan not sure if it's available on the free plan, on a whim I asked it if it understood the DX7 and it said yes and gave a description of one. It then asked me if I wanted it to design a patch and I said yes and it asked me what kind, I said a pad and it spit one out along with a patch sheet of all the parameters then it asked me if it could generate a Sysex file. I said yes and it sounded awesome

I then asked it if it could design an additive patch for the Synclavier. It said yes then I asked it for Sysex and it said it couldn't do one as it didn't use Sysex which is true, then I asked if it understood the Arturia Synclavier V and it said yes so I asked if it could make the patch for it and then asked me if I wanted the file for the patch and it generated it and it sounded again amazingly good. I then asked about a bunch of other Arturia Synths and it said it could generate patches for just about all of them

I was blown away

[Korg Supporter]

That elicited my second big laugh for the day. Yeah, Roland Cloud is basically irrelevant now, unless you own a Fantom or Jupiter-X (and why would you?). There is literally nothing that Roland Cloud offers that isn't done better by Arturia, Softube, TAL and now Acustica (although their Thing 8 emulation is a bit pricey, IMO).

What about their D50 emulation? I know Omnisphere has D50 patches, but that doesn't make it irrelevant. The D50 is a one-of-a-kind thing.

[mothra]

Is audiosex just a joke name like muffwiggler? I don't go there often so I don't know the 'culture'.

Audiosex is a low-rent pirate software website and likely nothing relating to that domain should be posted here.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

TAL is working on a JX-8P emulation with quality of life improvements! They confirmed it to me in an email and on their public BlueSky account.

Any idea of the ETA on this?
I see it was confirmed by Patrick to be TAL's next release 4 months ago.

You know how developers are. If you ask for an ETA and they give you one, expect it to take a factor of 1.5 to 5 times longer than the initial estimate. So no point in even asking.

[Hyperbole]

That elicited my second big laugh for the day. Yeah, Roland Cloud is basically irrelevant now, unless you own a Fantom or Jupiter-X (and why would you?). There is literally nothing that Roland Cloud offers that isn't done better by Arturia, Softube, TAL and now Acustica (although their Thing 8 emulation is a bit pricey, IMO).

What about their D50 emulation? I know Omnisphere has D50 patches, but that doesn't make it irrelevant. The D50 is a one-of-a-kind thing.

You're right. The D50 and JD800 emulations are very welcome. I wouldn't want to lose those.

And the Jupiter-4 emulation is somewhat unique, at least for now. It's more faithful than the Cherry Audio version.

[Hyperbole]

Is this for real? I am a ChatGPT-using fiend. However, I had no idea it could design patches (although I suppose that isn't a stretch since it can write code). But how would it generate the preset files? You must be pulling my leg.

Dead serious, I pay for the $20 a month plan not sure if it's available on the free plan, on a whim I asked it if it understood the DX7 and it said yes and gave a description of one. It then asked me if I wanted it to design a patch and I said yes and it asked me what kind, I said a pad and it spit one out along with a patch sheet of all the parameters then it asked me if it could generate a Sysex file. I said yes and it sounded awesome

I then asked it if it could design an additive patch for the Synclavier. It said yes then I asked it for Sysex and it said it couldn't do one as it didn't use Sysex which is true, then I asked if it understood the Arturia Synclavier V and it said yes so I asked if it could make the patch for it and then asked me if I wanted the file for the patch and it generated it and it sounded again amazingly good. I then asked about a bunch of other Arturia Synths and it said it could generate patches for just about all of them

I was blown away

Wow, that's amazing. However, I feel we will be saying "that's amazing" more and more often as AI becomes increasingly more capable, even if it never becomes consciousness, let alone reaches some God-like "singularity."

Before AI-hating trolls fly off the handle, AI is a LONG way from becoming self-aware. If you ask ChatGPT how it "solved" a math problem, it will describe the approach it took, which turns out to be correct mathematically. But if you look under the hood, that's not at all how the system arrived at the answer, which uses a roundabout, language-based, probabilistic technique requiring a lot of computational power. In other words, ChatGPT has NO IDEA how it solved the problem. Moreover, it's nowhere near as efficient as the human brain even for simple math problems. And it's all like that.

But that doesn't mean AI can't be used to accomplish many useful things, like generating patches.

[IvyBirds]

But that doesn't mean AI can't be used to accomplish many useful things, like generating patches.

I just asked it if it could design a Super Saw Patch using V Collection

This is what it said

"Here’s a classic Supersaw-style patch design for the Arturia Jup-8 V that closely mimics the lush, wide JP-8000 sound. It uses detuned saw waves, unison voice stacking, and stereo spread.

Arturia Jup-8 V Supersaw Patch Settings

Basic Setup

Preset Name: SuperSaw Wide

Mode: Polyphonic

Voices: 8

Oscillator Section

VCO 1

Waveform: Sawtooth

Pitch: 0 semitones


VCO 2

Waveform: Sawtooth

Pitch: Fine-tuned to about +6 cents

Mix Balance: Set VCO 1 and VCO 2 evenly in the Mixer (50/50)

Filter Section

VCF Type: Lowpass 24dB

Cutoff: Around 70–80%

Resonance: 0–10%

Envelope Amt: ~25%

Keyboard Tracking: ~50%

Envelopes

Filter Envelope (ENV 1)

Attack: ~10 ms

Decay: 700 ms

Sustain: 60%

Release: 800 ms

Amp Envelope (ENV 2)

Attack: 0–10 ms

Decay: 600 ms

Sustain: 100%

Release: 700 ms

LFO (Optional)

LFO 1

Destination: Pitch of VCO2 or Filter

Waveform: Triangle or Sine

Rate: Slow (~0.2 Hz)

Amount: Low (for subtle movement)

Advanced Panel – Voice Settings

Enable Unison Mode

Voice Detune: Set to ~20–30%

Stereo Spread: ~50–70% for that wide spatial feel

Set Voices to 4 or 8 depending on CPU and layering needs

FX (Optional in DAW or Analog Lab)

Add chorus and stereo delay or reverb

Set delay for left/right panning for space

Would you like me to create a custom Analog Lab or Jup-8 V preset file for this so you can just load it up?

I had it make the preset file but I am away from my studio PC and can't try it out, but from reading that it seems like a winning strategy.

I won't post it here but it made one using Diva also

[noiseboyuk]

"A comprehensive overhaul of the Augmented series"

What I'd like but I strongly doubt will happen is that the entire range is amalgamated into a single product. Likely under the hood its all based on another of their products - Pigments? - with a bespoke sample set and UI for each. Merging all the sample content (where you can filter by sample set if you wish) and giving a unified way of programming might be interesting.

[Hyperbole]

I had it make the preset file but I am away from my studio PC and can't try it out, but from reading that it seems like a winning strategy.

I won't post it here but it made one using Diva also

Looking over the settings, that would indeed be close to what I would program for a supersaw-style Jup-4 V patch, although that is a fairly straightforward sound.

I'll try to think of something a little more challenging and see what ChatGPT comes up with.

As an aside, one of the problems with generative AI is that it's very hard to iterate, at least with images and, I am told, video. For instance, I was trying to create a fun "cartoon version" of a photograph of my dog. The first image ChatGPT generated was surprisingly good. But I had gotten the two different colors of his eyes reversed in my original prompt. But there was no way to tell ChatGPT to simply swap eye colors. It would generate an entirely new image each time, often with the eye colors mixed up even though I specifically told it which eye was blue and which was brown.

It was a very frustrating and unsatisfying process, and I finally gave up and used the first image with the wrong eye colors.

I wonder, as a simple example, if you can prompt ChatGPT to increase the attack time of a pad sound it has previously generated and then have it increase just the attack times (for both the amp and filter envelopes) without changing other parameters in the patch.

Something to test!

Incidentally, I would suggest we turn this fascinating "AI Patch Creation" topic into a separate thread. But if the KVR moderators are anything like reactionary moderators on Gearspace who seem to be afraid of their own shadows, they will immediately delete posts that have anything to do with AI and music production, no matter how innocuous. I don't know what the Gearspace mods are so afraid of. It's all a bit silly.

[sacer]

I also would favor an arp2600, modular or matrix1200 frefresh instead of SEM.

[Gam456]

Since the V colection is not only about vintage, I hope we will have something new and fresh