Software vs Hardware

[IvyBirds]

Again Bones your experiences are different than mine.

I don't think they are, really, it's just the decisions each of us makes around those experiences. It's where we each see our priorities, or how clearly we see things.

Your experiences are different, I listened to a few Novakill songs last night. If I played such simple timbres in such a simple ways with what sounds like freeware plugins from 10 years ago I could get buy with a $500 laptop also

But thing is I don't play such simple timbres in such simple ways so I can't

I am glad it works for you, but it doesn't for me

And again what useful information can I give you? You have already made up your mind that I am doing it wrong and that's fine

You seem to think how I work is so much harder and takes so much longer. It doesn't

[BONES]

NOVAkILL is not the only project I have. It's not even the most prolific, song-wise. I think I probably have 30-odd NOVAkILL songs up and running on my current PC but I have more than 70 1980s covers going for my two side-projects. Of course, covers from simpler times require even simpler timbres so I'm sure none of that would impress you, either. But I don't think of anything in that way - simple or complex - I think of things as either good or bad, in context, and sometimes maybe big or small. We build complexity with our mix but once we shoehorn a variation on bx_oberhausen's Huge Swells into a mix, any subtlety elsewhere will be completely overwhelmed by a wall of 32 oscillator unison greatness.

Oh, and BTW, if you are gigging several nights a week, as you claim, playing the kinds of songs you listed, you're not using any complex timbres for any of that, either, are you?

[IvyBirds]

Oh, and BTW, if you are gigging several nights a week, as you claim, playing the kinds of songs you listed, you're not using any complex timbres for any of that, either, are you?

Only I am

[Tj Shredder]

Ok, we go here Off-Topic !
and: it´s a long post !

I can do this kind of stuff either in Bitwig or in

what i posted vs. CC mapping, you can do that in Bitwig ?
min-max values PLUS draw freely your CC curvatures ?
( Everybody told me it´s not doable....and i checked within BW also.....i have 4.0 or 4.5)

Yes, you can…

Okeey !
That´s News to me.
Do you know since which version of BW this is working ?
I have 4.4.1 right now.

You could adjust this even in older versions, but since the Grid is there, you got more options. Basically you need to understand the modulation system and how to combine them. Maybe its not as straight forward as drawing a curve, but close enough for your purpose…

[legendCNCD]

Well I need hardware (PC) to run software (Ableton) so there's that. Thank you thank you, I'll be gone after this

[Funky40]

Basically you need to understand the modulation system and how to combine them. Maybe its not as straight forward as drawing a curve, but close enough for your purpose…

ok, i see.
Then no, that would not doing for me.
In some cases this could work out functionality wise. But i suppose to work in this way would be way too time consuming for me.
I make way too many fresh patches, and even then with the direct "draw curvature freely" feature is the whole thing extremly workloady. I mean, this is allready really **hard** work as is.

The other thing, creating morphs requires sometimes ***extreme precision*** to make these do work good.
Many parameters have **extremly** reduced ranges vs. within what range a morph sometimes has to happen. Complex EQ morphs for example.

I do morphs allready nearly impossible to set it up fine enough, even by having sayed "draw curvature freely by hand" feature allready available.
Anything lesser capable than what GP delivers would nolonger be workable for many many things i do. Sometimes GREAT things.

Thanks for clarifing this up for me !

[Tj Shredder]

But setting just the range is easy. You simply use a Note FX Midi and can adjust the range by setting the low end as parameter value, and then dial it in the modulation to whatever max you want. that is 1000 times faster than drawing a curve. Only if you want to change the curvature its a bit more complicated...

[IvyBirds]

But setting just the range is easy. You simply use a Note FX Midi and can adjust the range by setting the low end as parameter value, and then dial it in the modulation to whatever max you want. that is 1000 times faster than drawing a curve. Only if you want to change the curvature its a bit more complicated...

But you can do exactly that in Gig Performer and then do significantly more if you wish

You can use one of the predefined curves from the menu, you can modify a predefined curve shape, or you can custom design whatever you want in whatever shape you want

It's super simple and fast and most importantly is dead simple to use

[justin3am]

I'm really happy to see that a 'software v hardware' thread can still make it past 50 pages in under two months on this forum.
Great work everyone! Makes me super nostalgic.

[vurt]

I'm really happy to see that a 'software v hardware' thread can still make it past 50 pages in under two months on this forum.
Great work everyone! Makes me super nostalgic.

haha i don't even own a tube amp!

[Funky40]

To give some more idea where the strenghts of a ITB workflow lies vs. live playing. I post here a screenshot of a CC map curvature. Just to create AND refine, AND refine, AND refine these CC curvatures vs. the completion of a morph is an insane amount of work. I mean it IS ***really*** work !
Buuut: This IS key ! (for some things). This opens up doors.


This here is part of an EQ morph.
please check the min-max values. 58 vs. 45.6.
our plugins are NOT made to be controlled in that way.
slightest changes in this curvature will have an effect, it´s like: Go ? or NO! ?
Slightest changes ! ...it´s nearly impossible to work it out fine enough.

EQ-Filter morph_1parameter.png

We can bring live-play soundquality, adjustability, and the "potential of expression" with this techniques to a completly new level.

It´s details, its nuances, it´s NOT just the big,....it´s also "the small".
Detail in sound. Adjustability on that. sound balance while changing sound timbres by same morph, or by another morph. The world that opens up here is insanely big.

This stuff requires an at least as good CC curvature editor.
( this curve needs some more "smoothing". it´s not finalized)

[Funky40]

Only if you want to change the curvature its a bit more complicated...

What i do requires allways the edting of the curvature.
This is for me allready so laborious, it is allready insane.
Any stepup in workload would not be feasable for me.

watch that curvature in my post above

[Jim Roseberry]

Testing a M3 Ultra Mac Studio running Sequoia, Audio Grabber has been completely unstable.
Kontakt will load... but libraries will not.
Arturia instruments load... but forget about doing anything with them. Even closing the UI yields an endless beachball.
Installed VE Pro 7... and it works extremely well.
Running GP at a 96k using a 32-sample buffer size.

[Tj Shredder]

But setting just the range is easy. You simply use a Note FX Midi and can adjust the range by setting the low end as parameter value, and then dial it in the modulation to whatever max you want. that is 1000 times faster than drawing a curve. Only if you want to change the curvature its a bit more complicated...

But you can do exactly that in Gig Performer and then do significantly more if you wish

You can use one of the predefined curves from the menu, you can modify a predefined curve shape, or you can custom design whatever you want in whatever shape you want

It's super simple and fast and most importantly is dead simple to use

You also got a super simple curves for the modulators in Bitwig, which simply cover all my needs. It looks almost as your curve. I bet you'd be happy. You even do not need to draw them

Bitwig Curves.png

[Tj Shredder]

This here is part of an EQ morph.

You definitely need Midi 2.0 Midi 1.0 isn‘t fine enough. I would do such things more likely in extra plugins like pure data, this would open up even more what you do, or just get into Max/MSP that is what I use for such tasks…
Anyway all this you can‘t do in hardware, unless you put it in a limited computer caged in a box which still has to be programmed on a proper computer, which could handle it directly…