MuLab 10
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- KVRAF
- 3139 posts since 28 Mar, 2008 from a Galaxy S7 far far away
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- KVRist
- 297 posts since 3 Dec, 2009 from Cologne, Germany
I stupidly bought V10 on the strong assumption V10 finally implementing VST3 - a 13 year old technology - for the MuLab plugin .
If it's not implemented before the next liable to pay update I'm out.
If it's not implemented before the next liable to pay update I'm out.
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- KVRAF
- 3139 posts since 28 Mar, 2008 from a Galaxy S7 far far away
Uhbik v2 has just been released, but no longer supports VST2, only VST3, and other formats.
This is going to become more and more common. Can we please have multi-VST3 support in M10.
Thank you.
This is going to become more and more common. Can we please have multi-VST3 support in M10.
Thank you.
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- KVRAF
- 24405 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
The correct term is "shell plugin", just FYI 
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35430 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- KVRAF
- 3139 posts since 28 Mar, 2008 from a Galaxy S7 far far away
Ok, thanks
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- KVRAF
- 3139 posts since 28 Mar, 2008 from a Galaxy S7 far far away
Am aware, just hoped for some confirmation if there's any chance for M10
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- KVRAF
- 8465 posts since 29 Sep, 2010 from Maui
Well, it might be on account of bad plugins, but I can say that MuLab has the worst stability in handling those errors of any DAW that I use (at least 99% lockup or crash on plugin errors). I would be more informative of such things, but I don't like getting attacked by the fanbois here for saying negative stuff. I use MuLab with plugins and don't use the native effects/instruments at all, even if that might not be popular.
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- KVRAF
- 3139 posts since 28 Mar, 2008 from a Galaxy S7 far far away
I know, it's odd that MuLab seems to suffer the most yet has stuck to the "rule-book" the most when adopting VST3 programming! Clearly there's a lot of dodgy programmers out there, many of which work for the big firms!
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- KVRAF
- 2469 posts since 25 Sep, 2014 from Specific Northwest
The VST docs are awful and nobody reads them. Well, maybe that one weirdo... 
I learned by picking apart an open source plugin which taught me all the wrong ways to do things. Now that I can wrap my head around how plugins work, it's hard not to do things the right way. Except for the things that VSTs say they do but hosts completely ignore... 
Although I haven't learned it yet, I'm grateful to CLAP for coming out with what seems a solid, reliable format that is fully open and extensible.
All that said, I've found Mulab to be rock solid in running plugins and the few issues I've found, Jo has been very responsive in fixing the bug or pointing out the issue to be reported to the plugin maker, who promptly ignore me. (There are commercial bugs still out there I reported years ago...
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I learned by picking apart an open source plugin which taught me all the wrong ways to do things. Now that I can wrap my head around how plugins work, it's hard not to do things the right way. Except for the things that VSTs say they do but hosts completely ignore... Although I haven't learned it yet, I'm grateful to CLAP for coming out with what seems a solid, reliable format that is fully open and extensible.
All that said, I've found Mulab to be rock solid in running plugins and the few issues I've found, Jo has been very responsive in fixing the bug or pointing out the issue to be reported to the plugin maker, who promptly ignore me. (There are commercial bugs still out there I reported years ago...
)I started on Logic 5 with a PowerBook G4 550Mhz. I now have a MacBook Air M1 and it's ~165x faster! So, why is my music not proportionally better? 
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- KVRAF
- 8465 posts since 29 Sep, 2010 from Maui
Indeed, Jo's support is stelar, he's even got some plugins working for me, where they weren't before.
That doesn't change the fact that for me, the main thing keeping me from using it as my primary,
would be it's stability, seemingly in relation to VST3 plugin errors specifically.
That doesn't change the fact that for me, the main thing keeping me from using it as my primary,
would be it's stability, seemingly in relation to VST3 plugin errors specifically.
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- KVRAF
- 3139 posts since 28 Mar, 2008 from a Galaxy S7 far far away
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- KVRAF
- 5573 posts since 30 May, 2006 from Hollow Earth
MuLab crashing? That’s news to me.
ABEFLGMOPPRRST 
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- KVRAF
- 24405 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
Just load PG8X and click on the LCD display 
(But the reason for this is known and a fix should happen eventually.)
(But the reason for this is known and a fix should happen eventually.)
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- KVRAF
- 2469 posts since 25 Sep, 2014 from Specific Northwest
I use it for testing my own plugins. If it crashes, I can reopen in seconds and I always get great error messages. But yes, it can and does crash with naughty plugins. They are not sandboxed and can take everything with them when they go.
I started on Logic 5 with a PowerBook G4 550Mhz. I now have a MacBook Air M1 and it's ~165x faster! So, why is my music not proportionally better?