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tasmaniandevil wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 8:49 am
Alexander_D wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 8:47 am Thank you very much! Any chances to see the update for Zebra and Zebra HZ?
We are working on it.
ColourCopy, MFM2 and Twangström are next.
Then we'll tackle Repro, Presswerk and Zebra Legacy.
Thanks 🙏

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tasmaniandevil wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 8:49 am
Alexander_D wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 8:47 am Thank you very much! Any chances to see the update for Zebra and Zebra HZ?
We are working on it.
ColourCopy, MFM2 and Twangström are next.
Then we'll tackle Repro, Presswerk and Zebra Legacy.
Ah nice!

Complete with CLAP releases of those respective plugins, hopefully?

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MrJubbly wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 10:03 am Complete with CLAP releases of those respective plugins, hopefully?
But of course!

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I just want to thank you guys for “no plugin left behind”.

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Sorry for maybe off topic question. But I am thinking about Presswerk. Does it can sounds like la2a for example?
I am looking for universal compressor... already got Fabfilter Pro-C2, but thinking about Presswerk as well...

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It can.

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EvilDragon wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 3:25 pmIt can.
Really? Which mode?

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Alexander_D wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 4:39 pm Really? Which mode?
There are a couple of interesting "inspired by hardware" patches available in this thread, including a few for various 1176 modes.
Cheers
Rob
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#rob wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2024 3:22 pm
Alexander_D wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 4:39 pm Really? Which mode?
There are a couple of interesting "inspired by hardware" patches available in this thread, including a few for various 1176 modes.
Sweet! Seems that Presswerk is emulated some of Hardware, right? It's really good to have some analog vibe...

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tasmaniandevil wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 8:49 am
Alexander_D wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 8:47 am Thank you very much! Any chances to see the update for Zebra and Zebra HZ?
We are working on it.
ColourCopy, MFM2 and Twangström are next.
Then we'll tackle Repro, Presswerk and Zebra Legacy.
Don't forget about Tyrell! Still one of my favorite VAs!

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Echoes in the Attic wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2024 5:00 pm Don't forget about Tyrell! Still one of my favorite VAs!
Somewhere in all the threads here, I think Urs said there will be updates coming for the CM's Beatzilla and Tyrell. I distinctly remember Tyrell being mentioned.

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Hi it looks like Mono Legato in MPE mode has been broken in some recent build for Repro and Bazille? Diva is still working correctly. I tested repro and Bazille on one of the releases and it was working great and now when you have it set to legato in mpe, it actually plays polyphonically. Was there a regression?

I'm on Mac using Bitwig, VST3

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It always was poly. It just is legato within the same channel. That's how MPE is supposed to work.

There is a concurrent concept where MPE is overall monophonic and the voice can jump between channels. We have not implemented this, and it is not mentioned in the MPE specs. It's a future goal for us to do this, but we currently work on other things.

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Urs wrote: Fri Jun 06, 2025 10:15 pm It always was poly. It just is legato within the same channel. That's how MPE is supposed to work.

There is a concurrent concept where MPE is overall monophonic and the voice can jump between channels. We have not implemented this, and it is not mentioned in the MPE specs. It's a future goal for us to do this, but we currently work on other things.
But you did it for Diva?

And there’s a setting in the MPE settings page of Brazille and repo that toggles legato or poly in mpe mode. What’s that for if it’s always poly in mpe mode regardless of voice setting?

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Echoes in the Attic wrote: Sat Jun 07, 2025 12:37 am
Urs wrote: Fri Jun 06, 2025 10:15 pm It always was poly. It just is legato within the same channel. That's how MPE is supposed to work.

There is a concurrent concept where MPE is overall monophonic and the voice can jump between channels. We have not implemented this, and it is not mentioned in the MPE specs. It's a future goal for us to do this, but we currently work on other things.
But you did it for Diva?

And there’s a setting in the MPE settings page of Brazille and repo that toggles legato or poly in mpe mode. What’s that for if it’s always poly in mpe mode regardless of voice setting?
The voice management in ACE, Bazille, Diva and Hive is identical. There's really nothing we did for Diva that's not in the others in regards to MPE.

MPE is defined for two scenarios:

1. One polyphonic synth where all voices are shared across MIDI channels. Individual channels can address multiple voices. This is what you get when our synths are set to Poly.

2. An array of monophonic synths each listening to a different MIDI channel. Individual channels thus can only address a single voice. But still, the whole thing is polyphonic. That's what you get when you set our synths to Mono or Legato.

While 1 is the standard case, there can not be any mono/legato play. Case 2 is an exception, but one that is possible in our synths. It brings Legato to MPE, which MPE otherwise can not have.

All of our synths behave the same way. If anything, Diva and ACE (with "singing envelopes" enabled) tend to reuse monophonic voices when they are released, thus maybe giving the impression of less polyphony. But either way, if you play two notes on two different channels, you'll hear two different voices.

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