Coming Soon from Camel Audio - Alchemy!

[VitaminD]

Every time this thread is kicked to the top, it's a reminder Alchemy is never coming back to PC.

The thread is from 2008 and has been kicked to the top once, in 2025.

But yes, it is a timely reminder, for sure.

I sold my copy when CA said they'd sold the company -- I seem to remember we got months notice -- then got it back free added to Logic. Well, "the Mac is the dongle" no doubt, but felt good to me. YMMV.

It's been bouncing off the top of the list all day.

Yes I'm sure it's no problem if you're on a Mac. But I'd implore you to look at it from the PC side too. It's too bad they didn't release a 64bit VST3 before ditching us. But I'm not sure VST3 was around then.

[markello]

Every time this thread is kicked to the top, it's a reminder Alchemy is never coming back to PC.

The thread is from 2008 and has been kicked to the top once, in 2025.

But yes, it is a timely reminder, for sure.

I sold my copy when CA said they'd sold the company -- I seem to remember we got months notice -- then got it back free added to Logic. Well, "the Mac is the dongle" no doubt, but felt good to me. YMMV.

It's been bouncing off the top of the list all day.

Yes I'm sure it's no problem if you're on a Mac. But I'd implore you to look at it from the PC side too. It's too bad they didn't release a 64bit VST3 before ditching us. But I'm not sure VST3 was around then.

Sure, I understand the angst of course, but then again, I ditched PC too and nobody actually paid me to do so, so I can certainly see why Ben did it

Loadsa good synths out there on PC, as you well know, probably better than on Mac!

[VitaminD]

Every time this thread is kicked to the top, it's a reminder Alchemy is never coming back to PC.

The thread is from 2008 and has been kicked to the top once, in 2025.

But yes, it is a timely reminder, for sure.

I sold my copy when CA said they'd sold the company -- I seem to remember we got months notice -- then got it back free added to Logic. Well, "the Mac is the dongle" no doubt, but felt good to me. YMMV.

It's been bouncing off the top of the list all day.

Yes I'm sure it's no problem if you're on a Mac. But I'd implore you to look at it from the PC side too. It's too bad they didn't release a 64bit VST3 before ditching us. But I'm not sure VST3 was around then.

Sure, I understand the angst of course, but then again, I ditched PC too and nobody actually paid me to do so, so I can certainly see why Ben did it

Loadsa good synths out there on PC, as you well know, probably better than on Mac!

Ben didn't ditch PC because he hated PC, Ben ditched PC because Apple seems to have offered him millions and a comfy job.

Alchemy was special. It's too bad for the rest of us. It was the porridge just right imo between features and complexity for sample-based synthesis. Nothing out there really compares in that regard.

[fisherKing]

Anything Apple touches is pain in the long term..

is it? not here, and i've been on macs for a looong time. i love my silicon macbook, having a great time with logic... and alchemy is awesome.

it's 2025, the 'mac vs pc' thing is ridiculous

Then why rebut and thus open the door to starting a longer discussion? You had the power to not engage but you chose to. So you can't really roll your eyes and claim you're upset.

My comments weren't even Mac vs PC. It was towards Apple as a corporation. Absorbing nice things and thus removing them from the general population. Often not really developing on them after a time. The blob.

Not that they're alone in this but they do seem to be the one picking off Pro Audio tools the most..

So relax. You don't need to defend your purchases. I'm sure they're fine for your uses, otherwise you wouldn't be using them.

why respond if my response wasn't worthwhile? hmmm. who gets to decide if we can or can't post a response to a post we disagree with? it's okay to disagree, but neither of us should control the narrative; it's ok for there to be a narrative.

anyway am ready to get back on topic. i started with alchemy as a 3rd-party plugin in logic, and use it now in it's current incarnation. and it's great. meanwhile, there is plenty of PC-only software to enjoy. hardly seems an issue.

[VitaminD]

Anything Apple touches is pain in the long term..

is it? not here, and i've been on macs for a looong time. i love my silicon macbook, having a great time with logic... and alchemy is awesome.

it's 2025, the 'mac vs pc' thing is ridiculous

Then why rebut and thus open the door to starting a longer discussion? You had the power to not engage but you chose to. So you can't really roll your eyes and claim you're upset.

My comments weren't even Mac vs PC. It was towards Apple as a corporation. Absorbing nice things and thus removing them from the general population. Often not really developing on them after a time. The blob.

Not that they're alone in this but they do seem to be the one picking off Pro Audio tools the most..

So relax. You don't need to defend your purchases. I'm sure they're fine for your uses, otherwise you wouldn't be using them.

why respond if my response wasn't worthwhile? hmmm. who gets to decide if we can or can't post a response to a post we disagree with? it's okay to disagree, but neither of us should control the narrative; it's ok for there to be a narrative.

anyway am ready to get back on topic. i started with alchemy as a 3rd-party plugin in logic, and use it now in it's current incarnation. and it's great. meanwhile, there is plenty of PC-only software to enjoy. hardly seems an issue.

Point out where I directly said your comments weren't worthwhile. I'll wait.

My point wasn't that. It was you seem ready to defend a computing environment I wasn't attacking. It would have been better to understand what I meant, by asking questions, instead of instantly jumping into the fray to defend a Mac vs PC debate that wasn't being made.. Because your discernment of the comments meaning seems lacking.

I'm ready to get back on topic too. Your second paragraph seems hardly understanding. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I take from that you don't care because you're not having a problem. Is that correct? That's not really back on the topic if so.

[Sascha Franck]

is it? not here, and i've been on macs for a looong time. i love my silicon macbook, having a great time with logic... and alchemy is awesome.

Unfortunately, quality control has left the Logic building quite some time ago already.

[fisherKing]

is it? not here, and i've been on macs for a looong time. i love my silicon macbook, having a great time with logic... and alchemy is awesome.

Unfortunately, quality control has left the Logic building quite some time ago already.

ah, sad. logic is awesome (especially in it's current incarnation). i earn my living on it, and enjoy it.

we use what we want, what works for us. and the work is ultimately more important than the tools. but you knew this already...

[nusound mind]

I have it on PC. Soundwise it's showing it's age imo, but I think equally likely is that I never learned how to use it properly. I assume it sounds better, has greater fidelity on Mac / in Logic by now.

Or am I wrong? I'm so ditzy sometimes when it comes to synths, one day I'll think one is the best, the next day I wonder whether it'w worth keeping installed lol. Honestly idk. Probably I'm unconsciously comparing it to Serum 2 which is my most recent and current honeymoon so pulling Alchemy out recently i was relatively unimpressed by its sound.

I'm open to being wrong tho as I recall patches I've made in the past that blew me away. The alchemy sampler I recall sounding nice despite never quite getting the hang of it properly terms of editing/mangling.

[Examigan]

Every time this thread is kicked to the top, it's a reminder Alchemy is never coming back to PC.

The thread is from 2008 and has been kicked to the top once, in 2025.

But yes, it is a timely reminder, for sure.

I sold my copy when CA said they'd sold the company -- I seem to remember we got months notice -- then got it back free added to Logic. Well, "the Mac is the dongle" no doubt, but felt good to me. YMMV.

It's been bouncing off the top of the list all day.

Yes I'm sure it's no problem if you're on a Mac. But I'd implore you to look at it from the PC side too. It's too bad they didn't release a 64bit VST3 before ditching us. But I'm not sure VST3 was around then.

Sure, I understand the angst of course, but then again, I ditched PC too and nobody actually paid me to do so, so I can certainly see why Ben did it

Loadsa good synths out there on PC, as you well know, probably better than on Mac!

Ben didn't ditch PC because he hated PC, Ben ditched PC because Apple seems to have offered him millions and a comfy job.

Alchemy was special. It's too bad for the rest of us. It was the porridge just right imo between features and complexity for sample-based synthesis. Nothing out there really compares in that regard.

Maybe not perfect, but Tone2's Icarus 3 is pretty cool. e.g. I don't think it can morph between different settings like Alchemy, but it has tons of settings to choose from.

[martinjuenke]

is it? not here, and i've been on macs for a looong time. i love my silicon macbook, having a great time with logic... and alchemy is awesome.

Unfortunately, quality control has left the Logic building quite some time ago already.

You should repeat this statement far more often because you do not cut through the noise otherwise.

[dune_rave]

Haha, it was worth to resurrect this topic : )
I was also an Alchemy user and it was quite cutting edge that time, but since then so many high quality synth plugins have been released so i'm happy this way.

[Sascha Franck]

ah, sad. logic is awesome (especially in it's current incarnation). i earn my living on it, and enjoy it.

we use what we want, what works for us. and the work is ultimately more important than the tools. but you knew this already...

We know you're the ultimate Apple fanboy. You keep praising Logic regardless of how bad their quality assurance is.

[Sascha Franck]

You should repeat this statement far more often because you do not cut through the noise otherwise.

I'm doing my best.

[Ah_Dziz]

I still use alchemy 1 on PC quite regularly. I like to resynthesize complex loops with the additive engine. This allows for some bizarre transformations and very cool morphing. I also just use the VA mode for simple sounds here and there. I've come close to buying a Mac a couple times just to have the newest version of Alchemy and logic, but it's never compelling enough to make me actually do it.

[wikter]

At 2008 VST3 was on diapers. It was not industry standard until Steinberg ditched VST32 & increased pressure over developers for future format support circa 2018.
Of course, Alchemy still works as 32bit but being serious, it's another available Sampler based Synthesizer.
There's a lot of alternatives to that, even in freeware world. Omnisphere, Falcon, Shortcircuit, etc... There's also a lot of good SFZ & Soundfont banks freely available around the web but oversampled Kontakt multiByte stuff made people think that pure sampling is the only way to use samples. Too many people never layered more than 3 multisamples on a Sampler, most of the people making music today ignores how to create a multisamples using multilayer, zone fades, loop crossfade & velocity fades.
Alchemy is a good Synthesizer Workstation, but not the only one available.
Just dehype it the same way Logic was. We have too many ways & tools to do the job, complaints come handy only when we don't want to do the work.
Just get the job done.