Let‘s speculate about 6.0

[billinder33]

I have no idea why no DAW developer I know of has implemented the sort of system that NI did for Reaktor where users created something like 6000 Ensembles for sharing? Easily consolidated on their site.

In the case of Bitwig, Device Panels, patches for the embedded instruments and FX, Grid creations, scripts etc. it's all just scattered over the internet. Same with Reaper, or any other DAW.

Yeah agreed. Though I'm guessing having a forum for this kind of stuff would likely mean overhead for moderation, ongoing maintenance, etc. Unless it was extremely limited and 'boxed in' to prevent potential misuse.

[machinesworking]

I mean the Reaktor library is entirely separate from the NI forums. I think it’s just one person making sure the Ensemble is working before uploading it, getting a blurb about it from the designer… It would be a fantastic resource I don’t know why DAW developers don’t do it except maybe money..

[Fannon]

The Drift Expansion (https://www.wavealchemy.co.uk/product/drift/) is pretty huge and has ~13k samples. If you like the style (I do), it's great. Unfortunately the samples aren't as nicely named as those in the factory library, more like "vintage clap 039", but I can see it would be difficult to describe the sounds in names when the Dift extension is mostly recorded and processed acoustic drums.

[slackhead]

The Drift Expansion (https://www.wavealchemy.co.uk/product/drift/) is pretty huge and has ~13k samples. If you like the style (I do), it's great. Unfortunately the samples aren't as nicely named as those in the factory library, more like "vintage clap 039", but I can see it would be difficult to describe the sounds in names when the Dift extension is mostly recorded and processed acoustic drums.

Did you perhaps mean to post this in the Triaz thread?
viewtopic.php?p=9108637#p9108637

[BobDog]

That Triaz looks quite neat!

[JHernandez]

Triaz has the drum sequencer Bitwig should have. What Stepwise could have been, and then some.

As far as I know Triaz does not output midi to push other instruments.

[koalaboy]

Triaz has the drum sequencer Bitwig should have. What Stepwise could have been, and then some.

As far as I know Triaz does not output midi to push other instruments.

Correct. You can build a MIDI export, but it doesn't send MIDI data live.

[stamp]

Triaz has the drum sequencer Bitwig should have. What Stepwise could have been, and then some.

As far as I know Triaz does not output midi to push other instruments.

It doesn't. But, if the free Triaz player version allows for multiout, you should be able to extract triggers and velocity information using a combination of replacer and envelope follower.

[JHernandez]

Triaz has the drum sequencer Bitwig should have. What Stepwise could have been, and then some.

As far as I know Triaz does not output midi to push other instruments.

Correct. You can build a MIDI export, but it doesn't send MIDI data live.

That's what I figured, which is why I never got it. I did request it, I was told they had it planned for a future update, but that was over a year ago.

I also told them they should pluck it out of Triaz, add a couple features, and offer it as a pure midi sequencer.

[JHernandez]

Triaz has the drum sequencer Bitwig should have. What Stepwise could have been, and then some.

As far as I know Triaz does not output midi to push other instruments.

It doesn't. But, if the free Triaz player version allows for multiout, you should be able to extract triggers and velocity information using a combination of replacer and envelope follower.

Sounds kinda messy, could be my lack of experience, but maybe I'll give that a shot at some point, since it's free.

[Fannon]

The Drift Expansion (https://www.wavealchemy.co.uk/product/drift/) is pretty huge and has ~13k samples. If you like the style (I do), it's great. Unfortunately the samples aren't as nicely named as those in the factory library, more like "vintage clap 039", but I can see it would be difficult to describe the sounds in names when the Dift extension is mostly recorded and processed acoustic drums.

Did you perhaps mean to post this in the Triaz thread?
viewtopic.php?p=9108637#p9108637

Yes, sorry. No idea how that happened

But yeah, the Triaz sequencer is nice! I was also disappointed by Stepwise, having used Triaz before.

[RichN]

But yeah, the Triaz sequencer is nice! I was also disappointed by Stepwise, having used Triaz before.

Years have gone by and we're still having this same discussion.

I think Bitwig's sequencer / pattern functions shouldn't be compared to external plugins like Triaz or Beat Scholar, but to Studio One's pattern editor. I think the way that pattern editor is integrated into clips is just brilliant. I especially love how easy it is to create, and use, different versions of patterns, all within that same clip. Easy, fast, nice, tidy. You just can't replace that workflow with external plugins.

I've been a Bitwig user since day one (I was a Studio One user before that). Since Studio One introduced its clip launcher, I completely switched back to it (I'm not interested in The Grid and although I love Bitwig's modulation options, in reality I don't miss them that much). I still bought Bitwig coverage for another year, because for now, I want to keep supporting them. If Bitwig introduces a pattern editor like the one in Studio One, Bitwig will become my DAW of choice again (no brainer really). But I have a feeling this is never going to happen.

[koalaboy]

But yeah, the Triaz sequencer is nice! I was also disappointed by Stepwise, having used Triaz before.

Years have gone by and we're still having this same discussion.

I think Bitwig's sequencer / pattern functions shouldn't be compared to external plugins like Triaz or Beat Scholar, but to Studio One's pattern editor. I think the way that pattern editor is integrated into clips is just brilliant. I especially love how easy it is to create, and use, different versions of patterns, all within that same clip. Easy, fast, nice, tidy. You just can't replace that workflow with external plugins.

I've been a Bitwig user since day one (I was a Studio One user before that). Since Studio One introduced its clip launcher, I completely switched back to it (I'm not interested in The Grid and although I love Bitwig's modulation options, in reality I don't miss them that much). I still bought Bitwig coverage for another year, because for now, I want to keep supporting them. If Bitwig introduces a pattern editor like the one in Studio One, Bitwig will become my DAW of choice again (no brainer really). But I have a feeling this is never going to happen.

I actually think we should compare it to something like Stepic or the HY sequencers. Whilst they still misses some flexibility, their a prime example of how modulation and sequencing work so well together.

I would love Bitwig (and other DAWs) to add 'Pattern lanes' similar to Reason and some older sequencers, that are purely for changing sequence patterns (rather than having to map notes), along with similar to Sound Variations/Expression Maps. Ways to better show the changes to sound in the timeline.

[JHernandez]

We can't even agree on sequencers. This is why the devs stay out of it and just do what they do.

I actually like the Stepwise idea. That's how I envisioned a Bitwig sequencer in the first place. It's very Bitwig. I just wish the device itself opened up into a full fledged customizable sequencer. (with drag and drop midi/audio bounce options) Kinda like how Bitwig's EQ+ functions. The device itself gives you a quick and usable overview of what's going on inside the detachable window. In this case Stepwise's device view would have to be a bit more dynamic due to the customization.

I was initially excited when I first laid eyes on Stepwise. Then I saw the rather strange (imo) limitations.

Anyways, come on Bitwig 6. Get here already! Really curious as to what they've got going. I wonder if I'll upgrade.

[ghettosynth]

The devs should stay out, at least from the POV of most users. They actually have a good vision. Yes, I hate the name, no I really hate it, I think that it's as bad as product names come, but the vision of a modular DAW is excellent. Most of these arguments are from a more classical DAW, even an electronic music focused DAW, e.g., Live or FL.

What I'd like to see is containers within grid that allow you to abstract, and save, user components, a container that allows you to build user interfaces that map to modular elements with enough variety that talented users could build many, if not most kinds of sequencers/synths/fx that users want, an ability to lock those containers, or not, and a user library in which to share them with others, for money, or not.