Behringer ULTRAVOICE VX2000 Mic preamp

[sboy]

Hey all - thanks for the replies.

Lunch Money implied right. I actually have a Behringer MIC100 which does a very nice job. However, I don't like what the limiter does on the signal so I don't use the limiter in the preamp. However, something like a vocal or guitar solo has a lot of peaks and troughs so I think a compressor built-in to my preamp will be the solution. This means I get the "loudest" clip free signal straight out of the preamp and into the Audiophile 2496.
I think I'll go for the VX2000.

[bewing77]

that was the post i was responding to thanx but it dose fix any cliping from emu patch mix to host as long as my 192hz 24 bit head room isint peaked

it also has 2 realy nice pre amps 4 mic & gutar inputs

But if the head room isn't peaked the compressor isn't part of the clip-avoiding. The DSP-effects are only applied after the signal has passed the A/D-converters so the only thing that matters for clipping is the signal level that goes into the soundcard. Any compression you add after that, regardless of whether it is at the time of recording or later only manipulates that same signal. So actually it is a rather bad idea to add software compression while recording since this will be permanent; no way to undo that compression if you realise you want more dynamics as you can if you add it when mixing.

[djsubject]

that was the post i was responding to thanx but it dose fix any cliping from emu patch mix to host as long as my 192hz 24 bit head room isint peaked

it also has 2 realy nice pre amps 4 mic & gutar inputs

But if the head room isn't peaked the compressor isn't part of the clip-avoiding. The DSP-effects are only applied after the signal has passed the A/D-converters so the only thing that matters for clipping is the signal level that goes into the soundcard. Any compression you add after that, regardless of whether it is at the time of recording or later only manipulates that same signal. So actually it is a rather bad idea to add software compression while recording since this will be permanent; no way to undo that compression if you realise you want more dynamics as you can if you add it when mixing.

but wouldent the same thery apply to a hardware compressor? wasent the point to compress before it reached the host?? in this case Tracktion


Subject

[IIRs]

wasent the point to compress before it reached the host?? in this case Tracktion

I got the impression the point was to even out dynamics in the mix.. in which case best to leave it to the mix (which means a plug-in really, if your mixing in Tracktion)

If the object is to avoid clipping, then the compressor needs to come before the AD converters.. which means an analogue unit.

Seems to me that recording digital compression is the worst of both worlds, as you risk ruining your dynamics without getting any protection from clipping on the way in..

[Lunch Money]

'Sall good, I can't imagine any hosts that actually record the digital compression. If you record with your compression 'on', you're still only recording the raw data.

I personally wouldn't worry too much about 'compression' on the way in, as a plug-in should do the trick for you. I'd worry more about 'limiting' so that you don't get a spiked signal and aren't as timid with your own personal playing style.

I know that limiting is just a form of compression; however, I mean that we don't really need to worry about the creative uses for compression or extreme compression until it's in our host; however, we DO need to make sure we're recording a signal that we can actually work with.

Greg

[djsubject]

the emu 1820m has a dsp compressor on the card 24bit 192 it has a digital mixer on the card with fx strips direct on the input at 0.006ms latensey so if i chouse to effect it before the chain to host app Traction i can but as u say this is silly but i thought the orignal thread wanted more beef on there recorded file if im roung then blame the weed

[AsianCarol]

ok, so they won't all do this but :

my mate had one of these behringer voice channels (early model, no digital stage) and it actually caught fire... he's awful for just plugging stuff in and pushing buttons without really knowing what he's doing so operator error i case but it still shouldn't actually combust...

he replaced it with one of those cheap little behringer valve pre-amps (eh... mic100?) with a built-in limiter and i was suprprised how good it sounds.

.g

Ah....I got it now.....That's why i allways get a free fire exstinguisher(right word???)when i buy new behringer stuff!!! Just kidding Behringer!!! I love your stuff!!!