New TDR Special Filters Bundle

[Funky40]

Audio Deluxe still has Infrasonic f0r $9.99

https://www.audiodeluxe.com/products/au ... frasonic-0

[dionenoid]

Just a heads up : Arbiter, Elliptical and Infrasonic had significant updates.

[dayjob]

infrasonic became essential to me quickly for mixing. using it on bass and BD in combination w/usual EQ and compression has really helped bass heavy things for me. i need all the help i can get when mixing so this has been nice

[billinder33]

Still loving Infra and Ultra sonic. Two mainstays for me.

[legendCNCD]

Also, Arbiter has been amazing in taming or enhancing stuff. Unreally good.

[bmanic]

In my opinion the new Correlation mode in Elliptical is the most significant update of them all. It is absolutely spectacular in how you can tame frequencies that are uncorrelated. It is incredible for sound design as well. You can first use Elliptical say at 500Hz and cut with a 3dB/octave filter all the uncorrelated phases and then use a mid/side gain plugin to widen it all back up and it will magically sound "better" on a lot of sources.. for instance on wide synth sounds, reverb sends, choruses, phasers etc.

[Dr.Gunjah]

Sounds incredible, I'll try that asap. So far I've been distracted by the amazing new features in Infrasonic

[Andreya_Autumn]

You can first use Elliptical say at 500Hz and cut with a 3dB/octave filter all the uncorrelated phases and then use a mid/side gain plugin to widen it all back up

Huh. My understanding is that uncorrelated (in left/right) == the side channel. So it seem to me like you're saying "cut the side channel with Elliptical then boost it again with something else". I must be missing something. What exactly does this do differently from another M/S EQ?

[Andreya_Autumn]

Alright, I checked the manual real quick and answered my own question. Their "correlation" mode affects only the things that shows up in the negative gradient on a goniometer. Unlike regular M/S where anything else than full correlation shows up (albeit quietly) in the Side channel. So ok, a cut with this and a boost with a regular side-channel shelf should indeed have an effect. The stuff remaining in the Side after this treatment should be the least decorrelated aspect of it. Interesting.

[dionenoid]

Alright, I checked the manual real quick and answered my own question. Their "correlation" mode affects only the things that shows up in the negative gradient on a goniometer. Unlike regular M/S where anything else than full correlation shows up (albeit quietly) in the Side channel. So ok, a cut with this and a boost with a regular side-channel shelf should indeed have an effect. The stuff remaining in the Side after this treatment should be the least decorrelated aspect of it. Interesting.

Yeah. Raising Jake Sideminder does the same thing. Been available for quite some years now, in various versions, full spectrum or 3 bands : https://www.raisingjakestudios.com/side ... eries.html

It can actually make things sound wider yet retain mono compatibility better.

[bmanic]

Alright, I checked the manual real quick and answered my own question. Their "correlation" mode affects only the things that shows up in the negative gradient on a goniometer. Unlike regular M/S where anything else than full correlation shows up (albeit quietly) in the Side channel. So ok, a cut with this and a boost with a regular side-channel shelf should indeed have an effect. The stuff remaining in the Side after this treatment should be the least decorrelated aspect of it. Interesting.

Yeah. Raising Jake Sideminder does the same thing. Been available for quite some years now, in various versions, full spectrum or 3 bands : https://www.raisingjakestudios.com/side ... eries.html

It can actually make things sound wider yet retain mono compatibility better.

Hmm.. I'm 99% certain Sideminder uses a very different technique (and is actually sort of "dynamic" in nature) than what is happening in Elliptical. But I could of course be wrong. There are a few ways to skin this cat.

[nonstatic]

TDR Nova GE might be closer to Sideminder with the SUM/DIFF channel modes. So basically the SUM channel of a freq band would have DIFF in the sidechain, and vice versa, both dynamically.

Fabian described this once: "These allow dynamic widening or narrowing in dependence of the stereo difference or stereo sum's level. More clearly, one can widen narrow signals only, and keep the wide ones intact. And vice versa, all in dependence of frequency. One could reduce the LF width only if it really is unreasonably large, but keep "not too wide bass" stuff untouched. "

Sounds quite close to Sideminder ME, but have not tried it myself.

[dionenoid]

TDR Nova GE might be closer to Sideminder with the SUM/DIFF channel modes. So basically the SUM channel of a freq band would have DIFF in the sidechain, and vice versa, both dynamically.

Fabian described this once: "These allow dynamic widening or narrowing in dependence of the stereo difference or stereo sum's level. More clearly, one can widen narrow signals only, and keep the wide ones intact. And vice versa, all in dependence of frequency. One could reduce the LF width only if it really is unreasonably large, but keep "not too wide bass" stuff untouched. "

Sounds quite close to Sideminder ME, but have not tried it myself.

Sum/diff is just a different name for mid/side.

I'll quote Fabien about this :

The terms SUM and DIFF are technically more correct than MID SIDE, but in detail they are equivalent.

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[nonstatic]

Yes, and I'm trying to say that the behavior using Nova GE may yield results closer to what Sideminder does than using Elliptical. The part Fabian said about 'reducing width only if it is unresaonably large, but keep the "not too wide" stuff untouched' is what I understand Sideminder does.

[TechHaus]

Tell me about Arbiter, folks.

These just came to Linux and the bundle is on sale at PB.

I just found out about this bundle 2 weeks ago because someone mentioned it in a mastering plugin thread.