Groove template and pool

[EsmileZ]

But shouldn't be possible to build a groove tool in note grid which randomize/ humanizes velocity an timing with different strength? I never experiment with notegrid. I normally use the humanise note tool and use a randomizer in a small way. But a specific tool would be cool.

[JHernandez]

But shouldn't be possible to build a groove tool in note grid which randomize/ humanizes velocity an timing with different strength? I never experiment with notegrid. I normally use the humanise note tool and use a randomizer in a small way. But a specific tool would be cool.

Here is Polarity's go at it

[fwsuperhero]

I know everyone wants different features, and my argument could apply to 90% of the features Bitwig has received lately, but is a Groove pool really that important? FL Studio didn't have one three years ago, and trackers never had them. Do you have a specific groove in mind that the Bitwig shuffle can't replace, and that is difficult to achieve in the MIDI editors? I'm interested in cases where it's a genuine showstopper. It's one of those features I've never really used properly in any DAW (but then again, I'm not a professional producer).

[ozinga]

I use Groove Pool to save my own timing edits in Live so I can apply them to other tracks in the project if needed.
So is this not possible with Bitwig or is there a way to apply timing of a track to another one?

[pdxindy]

Do you have a specific groove in mind that the Bitwig shuffle can't replace, and that is difficult to achieve in the MIDI editors? I'm interested in cases where it's a genuine showstopper. It's one of those features I've never really used properly in any DAW (but then again, I'm not a professional producer).

I like the option of being able to play a part in on my keyboard and use the groove of that part and the groove to say quantized chords that are being arpeggiated.

This way I am catching my own groove and not having to quantize to a grid and then adding a swing groove after. It lets my own playing/mood through more.

[pdxindy]

I use Groove Pool to save my own timing edits in Live so I can apply them to other tracks in the project if needed.
So is this not possible with Bitwig or is there a way to apply timing of a track to another one?

Not possible in Bitwig except through manual means

[JHernandez]

I know everyone wants different features, and my argument could apply to 90% of the features Bitwig has received lately, but is a Groove pool really that important? FL Studio didn't have one three years ago, and trackers never had them. Do you have a specific groove in mind that the Bitwig shuffle can't replace, and that is difficult to achieve in the MIDI editors? I'm interested in cases where it's a genuine showstopper. It's one of those features I've never really used properly in any DAW (but then again, I'm not a professional producer).

IDK about "genuine showstopper", seems subjective.

I like that I can use real drummer grooves, or the unique quirks or grooves from old drum machines and apply that feel to my own drums/midi drums. You can extract the groove from just about anything, the more isolated the better, and apply it to whatever you want. Your favorite bassist, for example, extract and then apply that groove to your own bassline.

Say I played a hit hat groove on the kit that just feels exceptionally great, but I recorded it straight to audio a month ago. Well I extract that groove from the audio and apply it to any other hi hat, or whatever.

Beyond that you can get experimental, or just randomly try different grooves on different things in your compositions and maybe find a nice feeling surprise.

I can live without it, but It's a really cool tool to have imo. I hope they bring something like that to Bitwig one day.

[pdxindy]

I can live without it, but It's a really cool tool to have imo. I hope they bring something like that to Bitwig one day.

Now that midi step input is added, groove tools are my #1 feature wish

[stamp]

I can live without it, but It's a really cool tool to have imo. I hope they bring something like that to Bitwig one day.

Now that midi step input is added, groove tools are my #1 feature wish

Mine too. It's the only thing missing to make Bitwig the perfect daw for me.

[Milkman]

I honestly dont quite grasp what Im missing, lol. Ive never really used groove settings in my DAWs, though I see them, and Ive managed my rhythm tracks fine without it. Or have I? When I swing, its because I swung, or my nervous system glitched out and I was late on the regular, but either way. =P

[slackhead]

Now that midi step input is added, groove tools are my #1 feature wish

I'm 100% with you on this.
I am hoping that when they get around to it they find a way to enable different groove settings for separate clips or tracks. I really miss not being able to swing shakers and percussion differently to other parts.
I'm a little disappointed this isn't in this new version. Maybe 6.1.

[_leras]

I can live without it, but It's a really cool tool to have imo. I hope they bring something like that to Bitwig one day.

Now that midi step input is added, groove tools are my #1 feature wish

Mine too. It's the only thing missing to make Bitwig the perfect daw for me.

Same for me also, pretty much for the reasons stated above.

I've gotten pretty good at manually adding groove to drums, but it's a pita or next to impossible sometimes to apply this to other parts or even new Dr parts.

Even for drums I'm always feeling I need to try new things. Currently this involves sequencing parts in Triaz which has a nice swing and swing per sample lane and dragging the midi into Bitwig.

My current work flow for drums feels like a complete kludge.

Kick 2/3
Bitwig Drummachine
Triaz
Sometimes battery and atlas to help browse samples
Additional samples placed directly in the arranger, which I later turn into bar length clips.

What a mess

[_leras]

I honestly dont quite grasp what Im missing, lol. Ive never really used groove settings in my DAWs, though I see them, and Ive managed my rhythm tracks fine without it. Or have I? When I swing, its because I swung, or my nervous system glitched out and I was late on the regular, but either way. =P

It does depend if you are playing in all your parts or programming them.

If programming them and not doing any swing or groove at all, things are going to be more robotic, probably groove less and be less danceable or emotionally connected.

Of course drum hits lengths and things like side chaining can add some groove, but if your 2 and 4 are strictly on the beat, there will be no fundamental groove to build off.

[Milkman]

I honestly dont quite grasp what Im missing, lol. Ive never really used groove settings in my DAWs, though I see them, and Ive managed my rhythm tracks fine without it. Or have I? When I swing, its because I swung, or my nervous system glitched out and I was late on the regular, but either way. =P

It does depend if you are playing in all your parts or programming them.

If programming them and not doing any swing or groove at all, things are going to be more robotic, probably groove less and be less danceable or emotionally connected.

Of course drum hits lengths and things like side chaining can add some groove, but if your 2 and 4 are strictly on the beat, there will be no fundamental groove to build off.

No, I know what swing and 'humanization' are, I just dont use the groove settings that I see. I do record live as much as I can(percussion and melody/harmony), and that has been my focus for a few years since upgrading and rebuilding my studio. I do a bit of programming also though, so I definitely want to learn more about how groove settings might help me.

I made a bunch of tracks around 20 years ago that were 100% programmed and very robotic, so I've been trying really hard to get some muscle memory since then. ; )

[_leras]

No, I know what swing and 'humanization' are, I just dont use the groove settings that I see.

Swing, shuffle are both kinds of grooves. There have been different implementations of groove and shuffle in different drum machines etc. (808, 909, MPC etc).

For groove in Bitwig, ideally there would be a bunch of these different flavours of groove.

One of the most powerful groove tools would certainly be extracting groove from and existing loop or recording, and being able to apply it to a different midi (or even audio) part

Humanisation, is perhaps a bit of a different category, just small random variations of velocity and timing.