Big fat controversial take

[harddaysnight]

imo, no, and I kinda wish companies would invest in being innovative, creating new things, rather than focusing on recreating old gear that's already been recreated a billion times.

But I guess that's where the money is.

My big fat controversial take is that most people here don't even make music, and that you only really need a DAW + a smaaalllll handful of plugins and instruments to be fine, and that people that argue against this don't usually have a track record of uh, releasing music.. and so their opinions can be completely ignored.

I think it's more valuable to listen to people that actually release music, than those that don't.
Just my "controversial take".

I think 99% of people that blab in forums are total hacks that never actually make music, and if they do, it never gets released so.. are you even a musician if you don't music..?

[ROTMetro]

My big fat controversial take is that most people here don't even make music, and that you only really need a DAW + a smaaalllll handful of plugins and instruments to be fine, and that people that argue against this don't usually have a track record of uh, releasing music.. and so their opinions can be completely ignored.

I think it's more valuable to listen to people that actually release music, than those that don't.
Just my "controversial take".

I think 99% of people that blab in forums are total hacks that never actually make music, and if they do, it never gets released so.. are you even a musician if you don't music..?

Why come here then? Why read this thread then? Why post then? You obviously know your stuff, and could add a ton of insight to those of us that come here looking for it, but in KVR style, you just s#!t on others with your post. Why?

Every other forum the people with knowledge help others, give insight. Not just call them hacks or make snarky comments. I've never seen an active forum where people would just call everyone else hacks. Why is the community here so different than the norm?

So many posters post like they hate it here, they definitely hate the posts/topics and respond with derision and passive aggressive jokes instantly shutting discussion down, and they flat out state they have contempt for the average poster. Like why be here then?

[harddaysnight]

My big fat controversial take is that most people here don't even make music, and that you only really need a DAW + a smaaalllll handful of plugins and instruments to be fine, and that people that argue against this don't usually have a track record of uh, releasing music.. and so their opinions can be completely ignored.

I think it's more valuable to listen to people that actually release music, than those that don't.
Just my "controversial take".

I think 99% of people that blab in forums are total hacks that never actually make music, and if they do, it never gets released so.. are you even a musician if you don't music..?

Why come here then? Why read this thread then? Why post then? You obviously know your stuff, and could add a ton of insight to those of us that come here looking for it, but in KVR style, you just s#!t on others with your post. Why?

Every other forum the people with knowledge help others, give insight. Not just call them hacks or make snarky comments. I've never seen an active forum where people would just call everyone else hacks. Why is the community here so different than the norm?

So many posters post like they hate it here, they definitely hate the posts/topics and respond with derision and passive aggressive jokes instantly shutting discussion down, and they flat out state they have contempt for the average poster. Like why be here then?

I've posted plenty of posts that aren't along the lines of what I posted - it's a controversial take, in a controversial takes thread.. not really any need for you to whine about it imo. Kinda the point of the thread, in a way

I disagree that every other forum is full of people that always help and give insight, and have zero snarky comments. That's just part of the package for all forms of social media - forum or not.

I started out here because I was hoping to buy/sell some plugins - wound up liking some of the sub-forums. It's nice to have a place that's relatively active, where people are talking about music production, plugins, DAWs, effect, instruments, all that side of things, without it being too niche and inactive, or completely filled with marketing/advertising for people's music.
Nice to have most things in one place.

Kinda wish there was an area with more focus on making music on iPads though - the mobile apps/hardware sub-forum is pretty dead.

[Sonic Illusions]

In a way one could state that "rumours" are fx as well

[El°HYM]

Some of the self proclaimed 'professionals' in here, are just laughable.
https://dibiquadroaudio.com/oversampling-vs-aliasing

Why do you chose to talk to people like this? Going by old posts you used to be a normal decent poster.

You too! I talk to people, like they talk to me. But I guess you already know this, as you have searched thru my posts.

[ROTMetro]

You too! I talk to people, like they talk to me. But I guess you already know this, as you have searched thru my posts.

Nah, you've been needlessly hostile and disrespectful. And oh no, I used a basic forum function to understand the person I responded to. Total :roll for trying to understand if you are a troll or just having a bad day. A discussion shouldn't lead to attacking peoples realworld lives/skill. Me calling that out and responding to your behavior doesn't change anything about me. You responded to old boy like this because they blocked you because your gave a low effort passive aggressive emoji with no clarification:

Some of the self proclaimed 'professionals' in here, are just laughable.
https://dibiquadroaudio.com/oversampling-vs-aliasing

Yall are so quick to go after/try and belittle peoples professional lives over...and minor internet discussion? Normal people don't communicate like this. And you didn't used to. You used to communicate and provide helpful stuff, not just a dumb negative emoji.

[ROTMetro]

I've posted plenty of posts that aren't along the lines of what I posted - it's a controversial take, in a controversial takes thread.. not really any need for you to whine about it imo. Kinda the point of the thread, in a way

I disagree that every other forum is full of people that always help and give insight, and have zero snarky comments. That's just part of the package for all forms of social media - forum or not.

I started out here because I was hoping to buy/sell some plugins - wound up liking some of the sub-forums. It's nice to have a place that's relatively active, where people are talking about music production, plugins, DAWs, effect, instruments, all that side of things, without it being too niche and inactive, or completely filled with marketing/advertising for people's music.
Nice to have most things in one place.

Kinda wish there was an area with more focus on making music on iPads though - the mobile apps/hardware sub-forum is pretty dead.

Asking you about an opinion you posted isn't whining. Again, why post if you don't want the post responded to?

Every other forum I visit people would be called out for talking to other in the way that is the norm here. It's just not a normal way to talk to other people. Every professional musician I've known has been cool af when talking to people even slightly interested in music. Here were have music store sales guy levels of just talking down to each other. It's weird.

I wish it was like you say for conversation here, but it seems really hostile to people, especially new people. Which doesn't do well to keeping conversation interesting. I bet lots of the new/just starting out hacks are doing interesting things on iPads. Longer term established folks are probably less likely to add new platforms or have money concerns that push them to less expensive tools. Where a hack young person with not much money but lots of time/ideas is going to push iPad tools in extreme ways.

[harddaysnight]

Asking you about an opinion you posted isn't whining. Again, why post if you don't want the post responded to?

Every other forum I visit people would be called out for talking to other in the way that is the norm here. It's just not a normal way to talk to other people. Every professional musician I've known has been cool af when talking to people even slightly interested in music. Here were have music store sales guy levels of just talking down to each other. It's weird.

I wish it was like you say for conversation here, but it seems really hostile to people, especially new people. Which doesn't do well to keeping conversation interesting. I bet lots of the new/just starting out hacks are doing interesting things on iPads. Longer term established folks are probably less likely to add new platforms or have money concerns that push them to less expensive tools. Where a hack young person with not much money but lots of time/ideas is going to push iPad tools in extreme ways.

I don't mind the post being responded to. The way you responded was just weird.

My experience with professional musicians hasn't been the same as yours - a handful are cool af, the rest are pretentious tools.. maybe some of my least favourite people that I've ever met. It's aaaalways the least skilled ones that are the most difficult to endure too. Every time.

I'm not quite going to "all in" on iPad music, but I did just snag a new M3 iPad Air and plan on using it for both live gigs + recording music. Maybe I'll contribute to the relevant areas when I get into that - it's weird that it's not a bigger deal than it is imo there are plenty of amazing apps, instruments and fx on iPad, and some of the "darlings" have their stuff ported over - you can grab FabFilter products for a fraction of their ordinary cost on iPad.. can grab Baby Audio stuff.. it's not like it's a totally unknown world.

There's reputable and well-loved companies putting their products on iPad, and now with Logic Pro and Loopy Pro in its current (amazing) state, there isn't many reasons to not try it out. Especially considering how powerful the M3 chip is.

I wish someone would make a small midi controller that has an audio interface built into it, just something with 25-27 keys, some pads and a few faders + maybe a row of buttons that are midi-assignable (for preset/instrument changing or whatever).. it would be awesome to be able to do the whole iPad music thing without dongles and other bs.

One single device that I can use as an audio interface + midi controller would be amazing.
As it is, I can reduce clutter already by using my keyboard as the audio interface, but my keyboard only comes in 61/88 variants (it's a CK) and I was thinking something way smaller, with pads for drums.

The idea would be something that's easily used with an external looper or a midi controller that could control Loopy Pro or Quantiloop or something like that, just that you'd be able to plug everything into this one audio interface/midi controller hybrid and connect that straight into your iPad - freeing up the dongle/hub bs and having to have so many different products/devices just to get moving.


atm if I want to gig my iPad (I have an older one), I have to have it on a stand or whatever, and have a hub for the devices, and an audio interface (which I kinda use as a mixer) and the midi controllers etc.. annoying. Not the end of the world, but I don't want the stage full of garbage.

One device as a midi controller/audio interface would be awesome for the iPad music making world imo.

[El°HYM]

Nope, you better read my signature.

Maybe too much is lost in translation here.
I don't get your point.
Are you angry? Frustrated? Disagree? What is it and what is it about?
I have nothing against you.
Are you Aleksey?

I am not Aleksey.

[Starbright]

Lads, is one no longer entitled to a rant? Come on. Of course the OP knows he won't change anything with this post, it's called a "big fat controversial take". And anyway it is the usual overproduction problem in capitalist societies. If all that effort (not big, since it's low-hanging fruit, but still) were dedicated to something more useful, we might have it, but people brush things off and call it "the market". It is objectively an inefficient way to do things. It's not necessarily the worst. I'm not advocating for central planning or whatever, but if you can't even complain about it...

Thanks, it's true and I'm still astonished how busy this one has gotten. To be honest I#m still hoping that one or the other developer reads this and maybe thinks maybe I SHOULDN'T develop another LA2A but something different and cool, though I have to admit that as an example Arturia definetely did something cool by not just modeling but also expanding.
And by some recent stuff I'm still amazed like Ozone 12 or Curvator.

[El°HYM]

Glad this thread has found its way back on topic in a grown up way; after the toddlers self therapeutic anti-aggression course seems to be over now.



How about another 670 kind of (Un)Fairchild, yet also kind of not (with a sarcastic Undertone). Did you test this one against all of the other ones, which 'of course' already nailed it and not only sounded, yet also looked almost exactly like the hardware.


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[El°HYM]

I feel pretty much the same (not exactly, not on every single point) yet listening to some of the 'cant spot it in a busy mix' releases are causing sincere ear fatigue, or ear piercing harshness (Fletcher-Munson) in the top end. Might just be me, who knows. When was the last time you just listened to a track whole through and then put it on repeat.

[El°HYM]

Are you ready for the final truth about your beloved plugins.

Make Aliasing Great Again!

[_leras]

I realized that after working on some new music that I barely use classic/retro plugins anymore (one example beeing the tascam emulations from ik and the rc series from native).
And I wondered if most of the fixation in the plugin and producer world isn't a bit too much?
I mean there L2A's, 1176's, SSL's & Neve's eq and compressors on mass. So much it's ridiculous.
And in the end 9/10 times most of us use for mixing our stock tools and sometimes some more specific tools like some saturators,r-vox, r-bass, ozone, airwindows stuff...

You omitted sharing what type of music you make. It can have quite a big bearing on what tools you want to use.

If you want to sound like every other ITB basic bitch, that completely up to you.

[_leras]

So spend your money on lightbulbs, vegetables and silverware, then, instead of yet another LA2A.

UAD have given away their LA2A, so there's not really any money to save.