iZotope Ozone 12

[osiris]

It really helped out a poorly recorded vocal.

[Scoops]

Why do people conflate their singular opinion with universal fact?

It's a fact that multiple people here have expressed their dissatisfaction with the way iZotope manages their business. Not sure what your point is. By definition it's a matter of opinion and perspective. Figure of speech as well, or did you think they are literally squeezing their customers as lemons?

My point is that you are unreasonably angry, and you act like your opinion is the majority. And that’s weird. And nonsense like your post (do YOU actually have a point?) makes KVR an unnecessarily negative experience for those of us who come here to get actually useful information.

Well, if you look at the post as a whole, most people are thumbing their nose at NI

You can learn much from understanding the forum, correct. But you're a noob here so there's that.
Perfect example is the bulk of this thread doesn't look good for NI. This is all great information. Why do you seem to think NI is still the end all be all?

Your response makes me think you need to follow your own words

[elxsound]

I always get a kick out of when people say something is too expensive and that they're boycotting the company until prices are better. That's not a boycott, that's literally just the everyday act of deciding not to buy something because it isn't worth the price to you, but with added outrage.

That being said, it really does feel like Izotope's recent plugins have needed a bit more time to cook. They seem to take up more resources, add more latency, and introduce new features that needed more development time, either at the conceptual level or in terms of programming.

You do know that you are the only person using the word boycott, right? There's a search feature available for every thread.

[elxsound]

Why do people conflate their singular opinion with universal fact?

It's a fact that multiple people here have expressed their dissatisfaction with the way iZotope manages their business. Not sure what your point is. By definition it's a matter of opinion and perspective. Figure of speech as well, or did you think they are literally squeezing their customers as lemons?

My point is that you are unreasonably angry, and you act like your opinion is the majority. And that’s weird. And nonsense like your post (do YOU actually have a point?) makes KVR an unnecessarily negative experience for those of us who come here to get actually useful information.

Talking about pricing is the norm here, but there's nothing stopping anyone from creating a separate thread along the lines of "Izotope 12 users, or workflow thread" Even dropping the iteration (12) might help keep a healthy group of contributors.

Nobody ever does it, so there's always endless circles of complaining, including people complaining about the complaining.

But, I have seen the dedicated "users" threads, that appear successful, on other forums.

[swilow11]

And there it is.

If this - or literally anything - doesn't offer value for money for you, don't buy it. Why is everything a crusade here these days?

I don't respect any company not respecting their customers. I can afford, but I won't because their ethics don't align with me.

what ethics issues

"I don't wanna pay what they're asking".

[concealed identity]

I always get a kick out of when people say something is too expensive and that they're boycotting the company until prices are better. That's not a boycott, that's literally just the everyday act of deciding not to buy something because it isn't worth the price to you, but with added outrage.

That being said, it really does feel like Izotope's recent plugins have needed a bit more time to cook. They seem to take up more resources, add more latency, and introduce new features that needed more development time, either at the conceptual level or in terms of programming.

You do know that you are the only person using the word boycott, right? There's a search feature available for every thread.

That exact word was used, but the post has either been edited or removed. That was what prompted me to respond in the first place.

[muzicxs]

My point is that you are unreasonably angry, and you act like your opinion is the majority. And that’s weird. And nonsense like your post (do YOU actually have a point?) makes KVR an unnecessarily negative experience for those of us who come here to get actually useful information.

Ah, I get it. So you can decide for everyone what's reasonable and what not. You make it seem like your opinion is the majority. And that's weird.

Stop the gate keeping, it's not healthy. Everyone should be able to share their opinion, whether you agree with them or not.

[fisherKing]

5 days in, and am loving this. being able to tweak an eq (or go big), and change levels on a vocal or drums, for example, is awesome. the unlimiter let me do new masters of some older mixed projects (that i don't have project files for). overall, with careful tweaking, the possibilities with OZ12 are pretty incredible.

as with any tool, it's important to not overuse options (imho)

[bmanic]

And there it is.

If this - or literally anything - doesn't offer value for money for you, don't buy it. Why is everything a crusade here these days?

I don't respect any company not respecting their customers. I can afford, but I won't because their ethics don't align with me.

what ethics issues

"I don't wanna pay what they're asking".

How about this:

Report some critical bugs, 100% reproducible and confirmed by other people. Nothing happens for 3 months, not a single bug fix. New major version arrives with a 349€ upgrade price tag, bug fixed.

EDIT:

.. in case nobody got it, that's pretty much the history of RX Advanced for the first few major versions. I had quite a lot of patience with iZotope when it came to that piece of software but eventually my patience ran out.

Yeah, that case happened multiple times by the way.

[elxsound]

And there it is.

If this - or literally anything - doesn't offer value for money for you, don't buy it. Why is everything a crusade here these days?

I don't respect any company not respecting their customers. I can afford, but I won't because their ethics don't align with me.

what ethics issues

"I don't wanna pay what they're asking".

How about this:

Report some critical bugs, 100% reproducible and confirmed by other people. Nothing happens for 3 months, not a single bug fix. New major version arrives with a 349€ upgrade price tag, bug fixed.

Hey at least they fixed it. I added 11 to see if it would fix the disappearing UI, but it still happens if I change the UI size and then adjust a parameter. Poof. Like magic, no UI.

[bmanic]

I've been checking out a lot of Faster Master videos and I think I would love it,but what it does not have is Master Rebalance, which I have found VERY useful especially for vocals that I don't have the proper level on.

https://acondigital.com/products/remix

Has been available for quite a while already and does the job quite nicely.

2. you can tweak things a bit with no loss in quality, so it's fine to fine-tune something like a vocal level or eq, etc, in ozone 12.

Yeah, no. You can tweak things but there is definitely loss in quality. It's always a compromise. This ain't magic.

[elxsound]

I always get a kick out of when people say something is too expensive and that they're boycotting the company until prices are better. That's not a boycott, that's literally just the everyday act of deciding not to buy something because it isn't worth the price to you, but with added outrage.

That being said, it really does feel like Izotope's recent plugins have needed a bit more time to cook. They seem to take up more resources, add more latency, and introduce new features that needed more development time, either at the conceptual level or in terms of programming.

You do know that you are the only person using the word boycott, right? There's a search feature available for every thread.

That exact word was used, but the post has either been edited or removed. That was what prompted me to respond in the first place.

Sorry, for my response then. Definitely a flair for the dramatics it seems and possibly the shortest boycott ever.

[concealed identity]

I always get a kick out of when people say something is too expensive and that they're boycotting the company until prices are better. That's not a boycott, that's literally just the everyday act of deciding not to buy something because it isn't worth the price to you, but with added outrage.

That being said, it really does feel like Izotope's recent plugins have needed a bit more time to cook. They seem to take up more resources, add more latency, and introduce new features that needed more development time, either at the conceptual level or in terms of programming.

You do know that you are the only person using the word boycott, right? There's a search feature available for every thread.

That exact word was used, but the post has either been edited or removed. That was what prompted me to respond in the first place.

Sorry, for my response then. Definitely a flair for the dramatics it seems and possibly the shortest boycott ever.

No worries, it's an easy mixup. I should edit my original comment so it doesn't happen again.

[fisherKing]

And there it is.

If this - or literally anything - doesn't offer value for money for you, don't buy it. Why is everything a crusade here these days?

I don't respect any company not respecting their customers. I can afford, but I won't because their ethics don't align with me.

what ethics issues

"I don't wanna pay what they're asking".

How about this:

Report some critical bugs, 100% reproducible and confirmed by other people. Nothing happens for 3 months, not a single bug fix. New major version arrives with a 349€ upgrade price tag, bug fixed.

EDIT:

.. in case nobody got it, that's pretty much the history of RX Advanced for the first few major versions. I had quite a lot of patience with iZotope when it came to that piece of software but eventually my patience ran out.

Yeah, that case happened multiple times by the way.

why am i in on this convo? i haven't said anything here...

[fisherKing]

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2. you can tweak things a bit with no loss in quality, so it's fine to fine-tune something like a vocal level or eq, etc, in ozone 12.

Yeah, no. You can tweak things but there is definitely loss in quality. It's always a compromise. This ain't magic.

not magic, tech. have you tried it? heard it? if so, what doesn't work? if you haven't tried it, maybe you should. hmmmmm

i've used the stem separator in logic pro a few times (needed), and it was not perfect. but the end result was better for it, and that's what i work most for: the end result.