Does Bitwig seem like a daw that very few people want? Kind of a rant I guess.

[aMUSEd]

I'm still rooting for them, but I really hope the devs take a step back from building new synths for a cycle and focus on these massive workflow gaps.

Ands I'm hoping they don't follow this advice (well the first part of it). New instruments and devices are very welcome

[tumface]

I have device fatigue. No more devices. My body craves fixes for the list of bugs/problems I have reported to them over the last 2 years

[Alexander_D]

I was working in Ableton. And seems that Bitwig in the same area... but at this moment I am working with video. And this option is not possible in all DAWs. So I was choose Cubase (between Cubase and Logic)

[xbitz]

I was working in Ableton. And seems that Bitwig in the same area... but at this moment I am working with video. And this option is not possible in all DAWs. So I was choose Cubase (between Cubase and Logic)

yupp Cubase is a better option because of .dawproject

Dom: “Beyond the Bitwig Studio updates, there are other major milestones for the company. We’ve been pushing forward with quite a few other projects like DAWproject – a collaboration between us and PreSonus to build a universal project container.”

Claes: “The DAWproject idea is that you can transfer full projects between DAWs. Alongside that, there’s CLAP [u-he and Bitwig’s new open standard for plugins]

We believe that our industry is too small to have closed ecosystems because really, it’s all about working together

Placidus: “Overall, this just shows that we have a different approach as a company. We know some companies in our industry are very much under the loom of the Apple approach – creating closed ecosystems. We believe that our industry is too small to have closed ecosystems because really, it’s all about working together. Over time we’ve connected with other like-minded companies in the industry.

- https://www.musicradar.com/news/10-years-bitwig

IMO both AL, and Apple, on the other hand, just go with the strategy of ‘I’m big enough now that I don’t have to care about anyone ... At the very least, let the music be good for its own sake—not just because there’s money to be made from it(it's one of the biggest gift of the humanity)

[monolithx]

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Bitwigs very unsustainable software maintenance. Their policy obviously prefers to gain new customers all the time, but at the price of disappointing and discouraging existing users non-stop. As a person who develops my musical experience over time I expect a software, which 'develops' similarly, making workarounds more and more unnecessary. But instead more and more workarounds are needed to not be disappointed more and more - and this is even connected with an expectation of gaining more and more money - a calculation, I'm personally not satisfied with and I explicitly dislike. I cannot work in this short-sighted manner myself either, if I don't want to get kicks in my butt and ... in the end loose money
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like no other software I know Bitwig is reacting to very little feedback
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and weaknesses are even neglected completely

I think all is said, here

[pdxindy]

Because... like no other software I know Bitwig is reacting to very little feedback.....

Now that V6 beta is available, this statement is shown to be wrong.

[xbitz]

Now that FL Studio has gone down the ‘best DAW for beginners’ route — AI as your buddy, following in Magix Music Maker’s footsteps — and suddenly everyone’s on board, I need a T-shirt that says: ‘I was using Bitwig before it was cool.’

[monolithx]

If I look at the release note, I see a lot of "new features", no improvements. That's exactly what it was said before "Their policy obviously prefers to gain new customers all the time, but at the price of disappointing and discouraging existing users non-stop".

Another example of the inconsistency between major updates that bring new features that will stay as is.

[stoopicus]

If I look at the release note, I see a lot of "new features", no improvements.

You mean aside from all the improvements to automation, UI quality of life, bug fixes and so on?

[jules99]

Bitwig releases an update so focused on user feedback that the vast majority of the community sings high praises, which has not been the case for a long long while, but a few users seem so bent on finding fault. It's not hard to understand DAW makers not enganging with social media commenters of forum posters much any more.

[monolithx]

If I look at the release note, I see a lot of "new features", no improvements.

You mean aside from all the improvements to automation, UI quality of life, bug fixes and so on?

Ok... I don't speak about a particular update, here. It's not a single update that will change my long term observations. It lacks of consitency in the evolution. This is with what I agree in the post I have quoted.

That said, for my personal use, I don't care about mouse editing features (there are enough DAWs for that). Live performance features are stuck since long. And this is where the market lacks of serious alternatives.
I just can't believe missing multichannel and VST3 multi midi support after 15 years! The engine is stuck almost since the beginning! Maybe because it doesn't produce fancy screenshots for the marketing departement...

And if we are talking about UI, just take a look at VE Pro to see what customization mean (in fact, I don't even mix in Bitwig mixer)! DAW customizations, in general, are at their minimum compared to others.

Fortunately, with all actual AI tools, I'm able to build my own control tools using the API.

[D-Fusion]

Bitwig releases an update so focused on user feedback that the vast majority of the community sings high praises, which has not been the case for a long long while, but a few users seem so bent on finding fault. It's not hard to understand DAW makers not enganging with social media commenters of forum posters much any more.

This update is everything i asked for and more so i am very happy with this update

It is true that there has been some less interesting updates in the past but that hasn't bothered me that much since my license runs out in January 2028 and i have been happy with Bitwig so far so i never did have much interest in what the updates was giving me until this awesome update came out.

I also had a feeling that the prices might go up because of the stupid Economy Crisis so i sold the highest version of Bitwig and bought the producer version that had the features i used the most in it and the renewal licenses in 2023 when the price was still low.

[muzicxs]

That said, for my personal use, I don't care about mouse editing features (there are enough DAWs for that). Live performance features are stuck since long. And this is where the market lacks of serious alternatives.

If you have a very small set of requirements (live and mixing), then you should find a DAW specialised in that. You can blame Bitwig for not catering to your requirements, but that's not how product development works. It's on you, the user, to pick the right DAW. If Bitwig, Ableton Live, etc. don't have the features you need, then you should just move on and find the piece of software that does check your boxes.

[monolithx]

You are right except that I was misled by their Live and Grid modular style... not to say about their target customers blur...

As I said, using AI for DAW scripting is a game changer for me, I just hope that there will not be just another stagnant feature. So using a DAW is not a one time choice...

[muzicxs]

As I said, using AI for DAW scripting is a game changer for me

If you want scripting, why don't you use Reaper? It's the most customizable DAW out there, and also great for mixing what I heard. Not sure about the live part, though.