Im just wondering if we will see AU (Audio Units) plugin support in the mac versions of Tracktion 2? There WILL be a mac osx version of Tracktion 2, right? We Mac OSX users always seem to be in 2nd place to all the PC-users. However, I am thankful we now have the Final Mix plugin as promised. If Ableton Live 4 can have support for all plugin-formats, I dont see why Tracktion couldnt as well?
Sincerely.
-Michael
Audio Units support in Mac OSX Tracktion 2?
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- KVRist
- 57 posts since 13 Jul, 2004
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- KVRAF
- 4644 posts since 28 Nov, 2002 from Chicago
development time. AU is (like DX on the PC) a format that benefits only a small section of the tracktion user base. Features that benefit both mac and PC users are obviously going ot get a higher priority (though I'm sure AU will happen sooner or later, cos Apple seems determined to destroy a perfectly good open standard).GimpyChimp wrote: If Ableton Live 4 can have support for all plugin-formats, I dont see why Tracktion couldnt as well?
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- KVRist
- 52 posts since 15 Jun, 2004
mac support indeed falls behind, but there will be t2 for osx, otherwise they wouldn't let us check out final mix.
i'm still hoping for G4 and G5 not to mention dual processor support, otherwise it will be a seriously inferior product. imagine a pc product only optimized for p2
i'm still hoping for G4 and G5 not to mention dual processor support, otherwise it will be a seriously inferior product. imagine a pc product only optimized for p2
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- KVRAF
- 4644 posts since 28 Nov, 2002 from Chicago
is tracktion optimized for 3now then? I must have missed that.Isjtar wrote:imagine a pc product only optimized for p2
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- KVRist
- 125 posts since 31 May, 2004
I'll be shocked if there's not an OS X version of Tracktion, as that's kind of the whole point of JUCE. So I wouldn't worry about that.
I'd like to see AU support as well, but I won't be terribly disappointed if it doesn't show up.
I'd like to see AU support as well, but I won't be terribly disappointed if it doesn't show up.
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- KVRAF
- 3745 posts since 29 Sep, 2002 from Killafornia
IMHO, theres a good chance, (no matter how unfair it would be to PC users with no DX support).GimpyChimp wrote:Im just wondering if we will see AU (Audio Units) plugin support in the mac versions of Tracktion 2?
Why would there be a T1 for OSX and not a T2? What is he gonna do, make T2 for OS9?GimpyChimp wrote:There WILL be a mac osx version of Tracktion 2, right?
GimpyChimp wrote: We Mac OSX users always seem to be in 2nd place to all the PC-users. However, I am thankful we now have the Final Mix plugin as promised.
They dont make a rolleyes emoticon big enough for this. Can you elaborate? Or do you just feel like playing the victimized Mac user for no reason. Jules has made it clear that he doesnt work in a platform specific coding language. So chill.
GimpyChimp wrote: If Ableton Live 4 can have support for all plugin-formats, I dont see why Tracktion couldnt as well?
Maybe becuase Ableton has the resources to implement more formats than Raw Material. It doesnt mean it wont happen, it just means it would take longer.
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- KVRAF
- 2009 posts since 9 Apr, 2003 from Cornwall, UK
Comparing the start of PC development and the start of Mac development, Mac bugs were ironed out infinately faster than PC bugs. So the Mac lot got it good IMHO.
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- KVRAF
- 9096 posts since 5 Feb, 2004
AU are the future of the Mac. I can't see how it couldn't be included myself. I'm sure it's not that huge of a technological hurdle. It would be cool though if they made a AU>VST wrapper though, there are some cool AU synths in OS X like BuZZer that you can't use with Tracktion.
If you have requests for Korg VST features or changes, they are listening at https://support.korguser.net/hc/en-us/requests/new
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 57 posts since 13 Jul, 2004
Well, it is nice to see some replies in this thread, even though some only seem to be annoyed over the very light comment about us mac-users getting in 2nd place to pc-users. Tracktion on OSX seems to work a little worse for me than on my pc. Im only glad to hear we will not get the boot. I just want to be able to use my favorite host with my new powerbook, since I am also afraid Apple will somehow try to get rid of the vst standard on macs...we will see. Apple usually get these weird ideas. An AU-to-VST-wrapper would be very nice indeed, and not to mention an enhanced version of T2 with altivec optimization.
Thanks for a fantastic product though.
-Michael
Thanks for a fantastic product though.
-Michael
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- KVRAF
- 1974 posts since 21 Jun, 2002 from Earth
I'd have to agree with the general "victim" role... it's like buying a XBox and then complaining that there aren't as many games as the Playstation.
Let me see, I'd like DX support and SSE/SSE2 optimizations for me pc! and btw, Live doesn't support all plugin-formats (cough.. DirectX).
Besides, it's a trade off... your computers are pretty!
(everyone is entitled to do a little trolling right?
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Let me see, I'd like DX support and SSE/SSE2 optimizations for me pc! and btw, Live doesn't support all plugin-formats (cough.. DirectX).
Besides, it's a trade off... your computers are pretty!
(everyone is entitled to do a little trolling right?
) ModuLR / Radio
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- KVRAF
- 9096 posts since 5 Feb, 2004
You guys don't get it, Apple owns Logic, Logic owns the Mac market, it only uses AU, it is likely the future of the platform. This is more a business decision: does Jules/Mackie want to fully support the Mac or do they just want to support the legacy T1 userbase and not release T2 to the Mac? Because if they do go through all the trouble to make an OS X version but don't add AU support, they are making a bad business decision and limiting T2's viability in the future. Of course, an update could always slip it in, I guess. But I don't think Mac users are playing a 'victim' role. Imagine if FinalMix was only available for the Mac, would PC users asking 'will we get it' be acting as victims? I think not.
If you have requests for Korg VST features or changes, they are listening at https://support.korguser.net/hc/en-us/requests/new
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- KVRAF
- 3745 posts since 29 Sep, 2002 from Killafornia
Thats because its not true.GimpyChimp wrote:Well, it is nice to see some replies in this thread, even though some only seem to be annoyed over the very light comment about us mac-users getting in 2nd place to pc-users.
Flash works better on my pc than the Macs at school. A lot of software works better on PC than on Mac.GimpyChimp wrote: Tracktion on OSX seems to work a little worse for me than on my pc.
Sounds like something they would try.GimpyChimp wrote: since I am also afraid Apple will somehow try to get rid of the vst standard on macs...we will see.
Tracktion's already really efficient compared to other DAW's I've used.GimpyChimp wrote: and not to mention an enhanced version of T2 with altivec optimization.
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- KVRAF
- 1974 posts since 21 Jun, 2002 from Earth
no... you don't get it!braj wrote:You guys don't get it, Apple owns Logic, Logic owns the Mac market, it only uses AU, it is likely the future of the platform. This is more a business decision: does Jules/Mackie want to fully support the Mac or do they just want to support the legacy T1 userbase and not release T2 to the Mac? Because if they do go through all the trouble to make an OS X version but don't add AU support, they are making a bad business decision and limiting T2's viability in the future. Of course, an update could always slip it in, I guess. But I don't think Mac users are playing a 'victim' role. Imagine if FinalMix was only available for the Mac, would PC users asking 'will we get it' be acting as victims? I think not.
btw I was trolling! if not obvious with all the and ultimately emoticons.In any case... there is a flaw in your logic with regards to "Imagine if FinalMix was only available for the Mac, would PC Users asking 'will we get it' be acting as victims?" 1st of all, people bought tracktion knowing it didn't have AU support. I'll repeat... those were decissions made "knowing" that it didn't support audio units. If AU was so fundamental to a sequencer, one would have never bought Tracktion in the first place... and if I had a quarter for everytime I heard altivec type optimizations, my pockets would be flooded with cash. The fact is, the majority of third party Mac software simply is not altivec optimized... and this is particularly true for software which is x-platform.
I think what some protest, is the call for special attention.. when VSTs are x-platform, and tracktion is x-platform... you'll still hear the call for special needs when they bought a program knowing the details, and what it lacks, from the start.
Would I rather see AU or Automation Clips? Altivec optimizations or Live/Acid style timestretching and looping. I think people resist because they see features which benefit both being compromised to develop for one.
I'd think you'd hear less resistance, as more fundamental features are added which benefit both parties.. because once those features are added, no one would care much if attention was turned to audio units, or even optimizations for that matter.
and I can even side with you on AU support only because apple has railroaded it on you guys... they want to elimiate all competition (and are just as crafty, if not more so than the folks at Microshaft) The way I look at it, Apple honestly isn't about having options... they never have been.. they are a company that works by giving you what they think is best. So if you are not using their products, then you will always have to compromise.
ModuLR / Radio
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- KVRer
- 16 posts since 17 Nov, 2004 from Seattle, USA
What's the big deal about AU support?? I use AU's with Tracktion all the time: just download MIDI Patchbay, JackTools, and Rax (buy it if you want to use a lot of instruments), and voila! Audio Unit support! I plan on doing the same when I buy T2. If they manage to get around to it, native AU support would be great, but it's not impeding my workflow any.