SWAY - a synth modeled after the Yamaha SY77

[FrettedSynth]

I heard there was a cool musician called Sheaf making a cool plugin called Sway

I think I remember that from way back in this thread? Look forward to playing.

[Caesarg86]

That's what I also heard!

[ghettosynth]

I want to thank CompyFox for bringing nice technical detail into the thread. I know that a lot of KVR readers are bored or annoyed with that, but not all of us are. Yes, the need that some members seem to have to win every argument can be annoying, and, yes, I appreciate the irony in my saying that. If I've ever annoyed you, I apologize. That said, I do understand how one can become entangled in their own passion on a subject, so, I can only be so judgmental of the approach. That, of course, doesn't apply to data and details, and I do think that we can be guilty at times of talking past each other.

What I'm trying to say is, yes, I really appreciate this thread for the discussion of SWAY and the SY77/99. However, I also very much appreciate the technical detail with respect to FM, RCM, and other software products that offer similar approaches. Maybe starting a new thread is a good idea, I'll join in, but I do like the technical conversation, even if many others don't.

[IvyBirds]

I want to thank CompyFox for bringing nice technical detail into the thread.

Even when they are dead wrong? What he is saying is that you can use FM-X in HALion7 to do FM Synthesis with hundreds of operators and that is simply not true. What he is saying is that if you apply an envelope or LFO to the pitch parameter of an operator that is not simply going to modulate the fundamental frequency or pitch if that operator but rather turn that into FM Synthesis again that is not true.

You simply can not use samples in HALion7 the same you can in the SY77 with RCM that's a fact that is why Sway is so exciting

[mholloway]

bye folks.

Sheaf, please start a new thread when the synth is released, cheers.

[audiojunkie]

Y'all beginnin' to test my patience.

Agreed! I’m getting sick and tired of this constant dick waving. I don’t care who’s is bigger! Why don’t you both zip your pants and get back on topic. *SIGH*

[ghettosynth]

Y'all beginnin' to test my patience.

Agreed! I’m getting sick and tired of this constant dick waving. I don’t care who’s is bigger! Why don’t you both zip your pants and get back on topic. *SIGH*

To be fair, this is off topic as well. This kind of thing always happens in these threads.

I don't know if this has been posted above, but it is a decent discussion on the topic of the value of RCM. The page includes some demos of what people were doing with it.

https://gearspace.com/board/electronic- ... hesis.html

[Compyfox]

Even when they are dead wrong? What he is saying is that you can use FM-X in HALion7 to do FM Synthesis with hundreds of operators and that is simply not true.

I never said that - do not put words in my mouth.
Or anybody else's for that matter.

What he is saying is that if you apply an envelope or LFO to the pitch parameter of an operator that is not simply going to modulate the fundamental frequency or pitch if that operator but rather turn that into FM Synthesis again that is not true.

I didn't say that either.

You simply can not use samples in HALion7 the same you can in the SY77 with RCM that's a fact that is why Sway is so exciting

Yes you can. And I explained twice in minute detail now how you can do that. Complete with links to manuals.

In fact, I'm on two different audio tech related Discord servers where I brought up RCM there as well. Not only as a personal sanity check, but also for further understanding purposes. Both servers confirmed the setup I've been talking about. They also confirmed "yes, this is how RCM would work -- although the routing is more simplified on the hardware".

It is not me to blame if you do not understand what has been written, or if you refuse to accept what other users with the same equipment can either confirm what has been said from xyz user in here and/or debunk what you are so adamant about.



We're done here, @IvyBirds -- you keep instigating. I have now reported your post with the comments “twisting words”, “insisting that users make false statements”, and “user continues to instigate and be aggressive towards users despite being asked several times to refrain from doing so”. Don't be surprised if others did the same.

I'm sick and tired of this "you're wrong" BS, and now straight up twisting and lying what I wrote! Hence me pulling a hard stop on this. Congratulations - you've made it!





I would also like to know more about SWAY.

My main questions:

• possible release date?
• will there be a demo version? (no demo, no purchase - sorry!)
• what will the VSTi ultimately cost?
• when will more video demos arrive, showing more than just the main user panel?

These kinds of things.

[sheaf]

I would also like to know more about SWAY.

My main questions:

• possible release date?
• will there be a demo version? (no demo, no purchase - sorry!)
• what will the VSTi ultimately cost?
• when will more video demos arrive, showing more than just the main user panel?

These kinds of things.

Release date: I don't know yet, and I prefer not to guess because I was spectacularly wrong about it the last time.

Demo version: yes

Price: not sure yet

Demo video: I tried to make a demo video a while ago, but it was a lot harder than I thought to present everything logically and tell a coherent story. It gave me a newfound appreciation for the excellent demo videos of other synths that are out there on YouTube. If I try again I'll have to write a script and plan it out I think. But right now I'm too focused on fixing the remaining bugs and making presets.

[Compyfox]

I think interested users may appreciate it, if there is a bigger update within the next 2-3 months absolute max.

This is when the big sales season starts after all. And budgeting in this day and age is a thing.

Thanks for the short clarification.

[cslevine]

i can say, as a beta tester, that i am absolutly enjoyed and satisfied with SWAY, hearing my exact Cubase composition since 1991, with exactly the same presets, sounding not with my hardware TG77 expander, but all with plugin instances directly after loading the .CPR song. And... it sounds near much better : more precise !

i guess we were losing some high pitch frequencies with analog ouputs... and if wanting the same : a little equaliser in tracks will be perfect.

I WAS waiting this TG77 emulation from years !!!
and i guessed this was possible. Please read on the first pages in THIS forum How Sheaf did proceed, to make an eaact numeric software replication of the original synth, this is awesome. He did use sensors, multimeters, and implemented each of thousands parameters , each with the exact values ( i.e. from 0 - 100 or from 1 - 100 ... or from 0-127 ... ) so that loading original sys.ex patches... acts aas hearing the exact behaviour the ear wait to hear !


Having the feeling of having a "ghost" of my hadrware... which did even lost some sample in it's ROMS ! because ROM and EEPROMS are not so eternal as belief... after about 10 / 15 years, numerical data can be lost in hardware electronic memories...
NEVER of mineral MDisc bluray ( which are the only best data storage in the world, can last maybe "1000 years"... much better than "clouds" and external services... - 30 / 50 years...? )

[cslevine]

i would like to submit some... not mandatory wish, because i know this could cause stabilities problems with the new VST3 standard wich maybe lost some MIDI possibilities... but it exists some VST synthetisers which are multitimbrals, dealing with the 16 MIDI channels.

For example this DSP56300 emulator synth emulates the "Access Virus" hardware numeric synth, and it is MIDI multitimbral, as seen on this screen picture :

https://dsp56300.wordpress.com/wp-conte ... mage-2.png

( the original web site :
https://dsp56300.wordpress.com/
)


i don't know if, maybe much later, years, This feature could be implemented on SWAY, so that it could load the exact "multi" sys ex, and having some equivalant of the display...
maybe VST3 is limited to ONE instrument per VST slot.

[EvilDragon]

It could be multitimbral but at that point you could also just load another instance for every part in a multi.

[Artie Fichelle]

Just wonder why you have to make preset sounds, when you can load the original yamaha sounds via sysex?

[ukm]

I'm interested too but need to know some facts before buying.
Now I have a studio computer and three live machines (one main, one backup and one in preparation). If there is a sign that I can run into copy protection hassle I'd rather stick with what I have.