Waveform Pro version 13.5.13 Constantly Crashing (and Biotek 2/3 was crashing WF before the update)

[GuitarPlayerinNYC]

This update came to my attention today; not positive when it was first released.

Pretty much it, in the title.

I just got a brand new computer, and was finishing the torturous task of installing all my plugins the past 2 weeks. I waited to install any Tracktion plugins until today.

Prior to the update (I think the last version was 13.5.8- after installing Biotek 2 and 3, all seemed fine, but it started crashing when I was playing around with Biotek 3, then, it crashes every time I load either version of Biotek. I've had some other vst crashes- Cable Guys Pancake, and Baby Audio Transit 2 (all my plugins are legit and authorized).

Oh, Biotek doesn't pass the plugin validator test. I've reinstalled it twice.

Now, WF just persistently shuts down, with no error message relating to plugins.

This happening to anyone else? Have you reverted to an earlier version? I only have the installer files for v. 13.5.8. My old laptop isn't crashing with that version.

[pough]

Windows 10 / Waveform Pro 13.5.13 / Biotek 2.3.9 (VST2 & VST3)

No crashing here. Biotek passes validation. I don't own version 3.

I've been using WF 13.5.13 since September 10 or so.

[edrickblade]

Check your video drivers, try to download from official website, "Example; AMD for Radeon card/chipset or Intel for Intel chipset"

[GuitarPlayerinNYC]

Windows 10 / Waveform Pro 13.5.13 / Biotek 2.3.9 (VST2 & VST3)

No crashing here. Biotek passes validation. I don't own version 3.

I've been using WF 13.5.13 since September 10 or so.

Thanks for checking. I reverted back to v. 13.5.8 last night, and uninstalled Biotek.

Attracktive crashes WF, and doesn't pass the plugin validator test. I think both have the same sound engines, being sound packs are compatible with both.

This message did pop-up when installing Biotek 3- “This Module Is Blocked from Loading into Local Security Authority” Error on Windows 11" It's an Apple service (I don't have anything Apple; dunno why Microsoft preloads it in their system). Update 24H2 has been problematic for some users (my old laptop has the 24H2 update).

WF seems to be otherwise working smoothly this morning. Last night, after reverting to the last version, I was getting the "white screen" lockup in WF, and had ctrl+alt+del to End Task in Task manager to close WF. I didn't even reboot since last night.

I may manually uninstall the associated .dll- have a restore point set already. I may write Tracktion's tech support. I'm afraid in fixing one thing, I'll break another.

[GuitarPlayerinNYC]

Check your video drivers, try to download from official website, "Example; AMD for Radeon card/chipset or Intel for Intel chipset"

Good point, and interesting that you mention that. While troubleshooting the Biotek issue yesterday, a screen popped up saying, "updating your Intel Arc Video drivers." Out of nowhere. I've always set my updates to manual.

I just checked my video driver version, and it's not up to date, according to Intel's site. I just ran the HP diagnostic tool, and that says I'm up to date on everything, and my OS is good etc, etc.

I could've saved hundreds if I went with an AMD cpu, but there's a known problem with Ryzen and connecting to iLok.

The only other drivers I've had to download have to do with my interfaces, and midi keyboard, and I got them from the manufacturer site.

/rant- what a pita! of all things affecting my system, it's Tracktion plugs, or appears so.

[nealdc]

My 13.5.8 Pro was rock-solid.
13.5.13 is crashing. A lot.
Afraid I've not taken a lot of time to figure out any possible links to anything, but I have had F-'em loaded most of the day. When it wasn't crashing anyway...
And didn't have Biotek loaded. Installed but not loaded.

[crowquill]

All versions before the latest update were very stable. Version 13.5.8 practically never crashed. After the 13.5.13 update, which I installed two days ago, Waveform frequently crashes when opening most VST plugins, sometimes even several times a day. I'll install the previous version tomorrow while I wait for a fix.

[GuitarPlayerinNYC]

My 13.5.8 Pro was rock-solid.
13.5.13 is crashing. A lot.
Afraid I've not taken a lot of time to figure out any possible links to anything, but I have had F-'em loaded most of the day. When it wasn't crashing anyway...
And didn't have Biotek loaded. Installed but not loaded.

All versions before the latest update were very stable. Version 13.5.8 practically never crashed. After the 13.5.13 update, which I installed two days ago, Waveform frequently crashes when opening most VST plugins, sometimes even several times a day. I'll install the previous version tomorrow while I wait for a fix.

Since reverting back to 13.5.8, WF seems to be stable. But Biotek and Attraktive still crash WF.

It's weird that the Tracktion Download Manager doesn't have 13.5.8 available for d/l anymore.

If either of you need the installer file for .8 shoot me a pm, and I'll upload it to the cloud.

I totally get being a bit paranoid about getting a file from a stranger, so no biggie. Oh, I only have the Windoze installer.

[Sweeto-k]

Its happening to me too ( only have free version)
It seems to randomly sujest any VST3 plugin I am using at the time from the ones Im using be it 3rd parry or even Tracktions own Attracktive.
I have no way of rolling the updates back on my system and WF has just become totally unusable since updating to 13.5.13.

[GuitarPlayerinNYC]

Its happening to me too ( only have free version)
It seems to randomly sujest any VST3 plugin I am using at the time from the ones Im using be it 3rd parry or even Tracktions own Attracktive.
I have no way of rolling the updates back on my system and WF has just become totally unusable since updating to 13.5.13.

What OS you using? My old laptop was upgraded from Win 10, then upgraded to 11, and my new laptop was preloaded with 11. Anyway, I'm learning that 11 has a lot of built in security features, and supposedly, that's been causing a lot of problems.

13.5.8 has been running smooth as silk for me. I'm stress testing my new laptop and WF by loading tons of plugins, and it hasn't crashed.

If you want the installer file for .8 shoot me a pm. I don't really know if there's a difference between free and pro, but my guess is, if you paid, when you authorize, that's when you get the extra bells and whistles.

I'm annoyed AF about Biotek and Attraktive. I have tons of plugins, and only those two crash WF. I'm gonna write Tracktion support after I gather some screenshots and crash logs. What a PITA.

[Sweeto-k]

Its happening to me too ( only have free version)
It seems to randomly sujest any VST3 plugin I am using at the time from the ones Im using be it 3rd parry or even Tracktions own Attracktive.
I have no way of rolling the updates back on my system and WF has just become totally unusable since updating to 13.5.13.

What OS you using? My old laptop was upgraded from Win 10, then upgraded to 11, and my new laptop was preloaded with 11. Anyway, I'm learning that 11 has a lot of built in security features, and supposedly, that's been causing a lot of problems.

13.5.8 has been running smooth as silk for me. I'm stress testing my new laptop and WF by loading tons of plugins, and it hasn't crashed.

If you want the installer file for .8 shoot me a pm. I don't really know if there's a difference between free and pro, but my guess is, if you paid, when you authorize, that's when you get the extra bells and whistles.

I'm annoyed AF about Biotek and Attraktive. I have tons of plugins, and only those two crash WF. I'm gonna write Tracktion support after I gather some screenshots and crash logs. What a PITA.

I am running Windows 11.
Came installed on my i7 laptop.
WF has been running fine without any problems or crashes since WF 12 using all the same plugins other than the recent addition of Attraktive which didnt crash before the update.
I have sent Tracktion support 2 crash logs and am waiting for a response.
If I dont hear back or find any solution then I may be intouch for that previous version.

What is really annoying is if it is found to be Attraktive I have 2 almost finnished projects using it.
Although in saying that WF is also crashing where I am not using it in tracks.

[jabe]

13.5.8 is still available from the website. Sign in, go to your downloads, scroll down to choose PAID DOWNLOADS, then to Waveform 13.5. Click it, and it's still 13.5.8.

13.5.13 is under Public Beta.

[GuitarPlayerinNYC]

13.5.8 is still available from the website. Sign in, go to your downloads, scroll down to choose PAID DOWNLOADS, then to Waveform 13.5. Click it, and it's still 13.5.8.

13.5.13 is under Public Beta.

That's good to know. Weird, I looked for prior versions. I'll check for prior versions of Biotek and Attraktive too. On my old laptop, the VST versions are older.

Its happening to me too ( only have free version)
It seems to randomly sujest any VST3 plugin I am using at the time from the ones Im using be it 3rd parry or even Tracktions own Attracktive.
I have no way of rolling the updates back on my system and WF has just become totally unusable since updating to 13.5.13.

What OS you using? My old laptop was upgraded from Win 10, then upgraded to 11, and my new laptop was preloaded with 11. Anyway, I'm learning that 11 has a lot of built in security features, and supposedly, that's been causing a lot of problems.

13.5.8 has been running smooth as silk for me. I'm stress testing my new laptop and WF by loading tons of plugins, and it hasn't crashed.

If you want the installer file for .8 shoot me a pm. I don't really know if there's a difference between free and pro, but my guess is, if you paid, when you authorize, that's when you get the extra bells and whistles.

I'm annoyed AF about Biotek and Attraktive. I have tons of plugins, and only those two crash WF. I'm gonna write Tracktion support after I gather some screenshots and crash logs. What a PITA.

I am running Windows 11.
Came installed on my i7 laptop.
WF has been running fine without any problems or crashes since WF 12 using all the same plugins other than the recent addition of Attraktive which didnt crash before the update.
I have sent Tracktion support 2 crash logs and am waiting for a response.
If I dont hear back or find any solution then I may be intouch for that previous version.

What is really annoying is if it is found to be Attraktive I have 2 almost finnished projects using it.
Although in saying that WF is also crashing where I am not using it in tracks.

I contacted support yesterday.

You can get the installer file directly from tracktion, per above.

Heads up about Win 11 updates- I got a popup to update Kontakt Player 8, so I went to the Kontakt Download Manager- Windows' "Smart App" flagged the file as suspicious. Not only did it kill the update, it killed the working .exe file for Player 8. On a hunch, I copied the Player8.exe file from my old computer to the new and it's working again.

On my old laptop, a bunch of Izotope plugins were flagged as viruses. But they still work in WF.

You can disable Smart App, but can't turn it back on UNLESS YOU REINSTALL WINDOWS.

It sucks when you're in the middle of a project, and things go bad. My old laptop is an i7 with 32 gigs of ram, but it couldn't keep up with a lot plugins. My new laptop has an i7 "Ultra" chip, and is handling things very well, resource wise.

I'm gonna hunt on the tracktion site for older versions of Biotek and Attraktive.

[Sweeto-k]

13.5.8 is still available from the website. Sign in, go to your downloads, scroll down to choose PAID DOWNLOADS, then to Waveform 13.5. Click it, and it's still 13.5.8.

13.5.13 is under Public Beta.

That's good to know. Weird, I looked for prior versions. I'll check for prior versions of Biotek and Attraktive too. On my old laptop, the VST versions are older.

Its happening to me too ( only have free version)
It seems to randomly sujest any VST3 plugin I am using at the time from the ones Im using be it 3rd parry or even Tracktions own Attracktive.
I have no way of rolling the updates back on my system and WF has just become totally unusable since updating to 13.5.13.

What OS you using? My old laptop was upgraded from Win 10, then upgraded to 11, and my new laptop was preloaded with 11. Anyway, I'm learning that 11 has a lot of built in security features, and supposedly, that's been causing a lot of problems.

13.5.8 has been running smooth as silk for me. I'm stress testing my new laptop and WF by loading tons of plugins, and it hasn't crashed.

If you want the installer file for .8 shoot me a pm. I don't really know if there's a difference between free and pro, but my guess is, if you paid, when you authorize, that's when you get the extra bells and whistles.

I'm annoyed AF about Biotek and Attraktive. I have tons of plugins, and only those two crash WF. I'm gonna write Tracktion support after I gather some screenshots and crash logs. What a PITA.

I am running Windows 11.
Came installed on my i7 laptop.
WF has been running fine without any problems or crashes since WF 12 using all the same plugins other than the recent addition of Attraktive which didnt crash before the update.
I have sent Tracktion support 2 crash logs and am waiting for a response.
If I dont hear back or find any solution then I may be intouch for that previous version.

What is really annoying is if it is found to be Attraktive I have 2 almost finnished projects using it.
Although in saying that WF is also crashing where I am not using it in tracks.

I contacted support yesterday.

You can get the installer file directly from tracktion, per above.

Heads up about Win 11 updates- I got a popup to update Kontakt Player 8, so I went to the Kontakt Download Manager- Windows' "Smart App" flagged the file as suspicious. Not only did it kill the update, it killed the working .exe file for Player 8. On a hunch, I copied the Player8.exe file from my old computer to the new and it's working again.

On my old laptop, a bunch of Izotope plugins were flagged as viruses. But they still work in WF.

You can disable Smart App, but can't turn it back on UNLESS YOU REINSTALL WINDOWS.

It sucks when you're in the middle of a project, and things go bad. My old laptop is an i7 with 32 gigs of ram, but it couldn't keep up with a lot plugins. My new laptop has an i7 "Ultra" chip, and is handling things very well, resource wise.

I'm gonna hunt on the tracktion site for older versions of Biotek and Attraktive.

Thanks for the PM.
So I unistalled WF and reinstalled the older version and unfortunatly now I just get CPU overload from any project I open.
What ever is happening has now made me question to continue to use WF as was about to upgrade to the pro paid version but now not so sure. which is a shame as for reasons I cant fathom out its just become to unstable and problematic.
I also dont get why if the last uodate is still in beta form it was released in the download manager as if it was a fully tested update.
I have heard nothing from support.

I am sure Atraktive has a part to play and am just trying to work out how to kill it from my system.
If I cant or fix WF then im afraid I'll dump it alltogether

[Sweeto-k]

Right. Little update.
Removed Atraktive completely from my laptop.
WF seems to now be stable again.
I now have the task of finding sounds within other 3rd party plugins to replace what I was using Atraktive for.

Still unsure if to pay for a licence if their own plugins cause such problems and they release Beta updates without informing you it is not fully tested.
I have been on this for days and lost valuble production time.
Thanks again though for providing 13.5.8.
Shall stick with that for the time being.