The Usual Suspects Announce Roland JP-8080 Emulator (The Real Deal)

[D-Fusion]

Regarding the firmware, surprisingly, the JP 8080 firmware is nowhere to be found on the Roland website.

Not sure, but I think V1.05 is available here:
https://www.roland.com/de/support/by_pr ... s_drivers/

Under Part 3 in the license agreement it says:

3. Restrictions:
"You may not make copies of the Roland Product and distribute or transfer them to third parties. You may not transfer the Roland Product to another computer or distribute it over a data network. You may not modify, modify, reverse engineer, or in any way disclose the source code of any Roland Product. You may not sell, loan, rent, transfer, transfer to third parties, and/or distribute the Roland Product for profit, or create or distribute derivative works based on or based on any part of the Roland Product. You may not directly or indirectly export or distribute Roland Products abroad."

So good luck to you if Roland discover that you use this software.
I will never use any of their Cracked hardware unlock keys for these synths and use Arturia Jup 8000V and Viper instead.

Using an emulator does not violate any of what the Roland license agreement states. It's legally the same thing as loading the firmware onto a JP-8080. The firmware code is not being modified or distributed by a third party. There have already been numerous cases proving that emulators are 100% legal and don't violate laws as the company's intellectual property is not being modified or distributed.

Using blank emulators are not illegal but adding the bin files to the Emulator that is made for a different product is Illegal.

Keygens are not illegal either but using them to unlock the software they are made for is illegal.

And you are breaching Rolands Rules for that file when you download it and use that file in the Emulator if you read what it says

[Trancer]

I didn't feel attacked at all, I assure you.

I just didn't understand what you were saying.

Since my question was about why the JP 8000 firmware and not the JP 8080 firmware are on the Roland website.

[D-Fusion]

I didn't feel attacked at all, I assure you.

I just didn't understand what you were saying.

Since my question was about why the JP 8000 firmware and not the JP 8080 firmware are on the Roland website.

Ok

[DashOfLime]

So good luck to you if Roland discover that you use this software.
I will never use any of their Cracked hardware unlock keys for these synths and use Arturia Jup 8000V and Viper instead.

How exactly would they discover that? Even if they did you think they're going to sue someone over using firmware from an instrument that hasn't been on the market for over 20 years? Please. This is a niche product - about as niche as you can get. As has already been pointed out there are far better options these days.

[tumface]

Using software code embedded or found in hardware that you own in an emulator is 100% legal in every country (including restrictive countries like USA and Japan) and it's not even slightly up for debate anymore. Companies many times larger and more aggressive than Roland, like Sony and Microsoft, have tried and lost, repeatedly, and with way more money on the line than something like a synthesizer from the 90s. This is pretty tired.

[EvilDragon]

Yes it's beating the dead horse all over again. Some people just don't get it.

[Matt67]

Oh. Sorry.
The reply was not meant as an attack on you
It was more of a reply to the link that Matt67 posted and what is included in the rules for the use of those files

I just forgot to remove your post in my quote before i posted it.

Could you please explain to me what was wrong with my message? I posted here days ago that it is probably not permissible to use the firmware without owning the original. You're a little too late with that.

[vanerio]

So please allow me to ask, given my complete lack of legal knowledge (and my interest in complying with legal regulations).
Is loading a ROM only legal if you have the hardware? (as @tumface said)
Would it then be illegal to load a ROM from hardware you don't have, even if the hardware has been discontinued for years?

[D-Fusion]

Oh. Sorry.
The reply was not meant as an attack on you
It was more of a reply to the link that Matt67 posted and what is included in the rules for the use of those files

I just forgot to remove your post in my quote before i posted it.

Could you please explain to me what was wrong with my message? I posted here days ago that it is probably not permissible to use the firmware without owning the original. You're a little too late with that.

Nothing wrong with your post either.
I just replied with what i found in Rolands terms of use for that file to warn people that they might get Roland on their neck if they find out that you use the JP Emulator

[tumface]

Is loading a ROM only legal if you have the hardware? (as @tumface said)

There are other reasons it could be allowed. But owning the hardware makes it OK. For example, you are allowed to dump a copy of the contents of a video game cartridge to a computer (which is creating a copy) to use with an emulator.

Would it then be illegal to load a ROM from hardware you don't have, even if the hardware has been discontinued for years?

Ask a lawyer if you're worried.

[El°HYM]

It even states on first load that you need to own the hardware, when firing up the plugin. Cant really remember the exact message, yet sure some of you might know what I am talking about. So what is the question here.

[Trancer]

My question was simply about the availability of the JP 8080 firmware on the official website, which is non-existent, while the JP 8000 firmware is.

I am not a lawyer, but I know that intellectual property and my comments were not for using the firmware without the hardware.

So, I never said I was going to use the firmware for one reason or another.

I just wanted to thank you for the link and nothing more.

My question was also related to the Usual Suspects emulation, nothing more.

Now, why doesn't Roland, for example, given intellectual property and other issues, simply give access to the firmware only to people who own the hardware?

If we want to protect it, wouldn't it be simpler to create a system to prevent the use of intellectual property and other issues?

Sorry again for this naive statement, but if we don't want anyone to use firmware or other stuff, we prohibit it (not available anywhere other than on the official website) and we only give access to peo
ple who can prove that they have the hardware in their possession (serial number for example).

[HenkDeWegWeg]

Not unique synth, much better in soft supersaw instrument already, all the problem find this and that and then cpu bad, I don't waste the time with. install, listen preset 5minuten and forget.

[D-Fusion]

Using software code embedded or found in hardware that you own in an emulator is 100% legal in every country (including restrictive countries like USA and Japan) and it's not even slightly up for debate anymore. Companies many times larger and more aggressive than Roland, like Sony and Microsoft, have tried and lost, repeatedly, and with way more money on the line than something like a synthesizer from the 90s. This is pretty tired.

I didn't know that so thank you for pointing that out
I did some research and you are all right here and i was wrong so i willl shut up now

Here is what i found:
"Using hardware synth emulators is not illegal, but it is illegal to use them with a copied or illegally acquired firmware/ROM file. The emulator software itself is legal, but it needs the original, legitimate firmware to function, which you must legally obtain, often by owning the original hardware synth."

[Rastkovic]

What some of the critics here probably don't understand, this emulator thing is not about cracking, or stealing something, it's about preservation. The synth companys doesn't care about their heritage.

David Viens from Plogue has a similar attitude, I guess. Very interesting interview by the way.

Who is this guy? - Chipsounds Developer Interview [True Cuckoo]