Omnisphere 3

[Uncle E]

I would not buy from third party seller. I bought mine that way and was not eligible for the upgrade price. Spectrasonics basically wanted me to pay full price again and it's not like the discount I got from the retailer was deep discount.

Every Omnisphere license we've sold has been eligible for upgrades.

[ghettosynth]

Why are you guys even debating this? It's Omnisphere FFS, just order and relax. You know you want it!

[D-Fusion]

I would not buy from third party seller. I bought mine that way and was not eligible for the upgrade price. Spectrasonics basically wanted me to pay full price again and it's not like the discount I got from the retailer was deep discount.

Every Omnisphere license we've sold has been eligible for upgrades.

I never had any issue with upgrading to v2 and i bought a physical copy of v1 in a shop near where i live in 2009.

[tatanka]

Physical shipping can’t be circumvented.

When one gets the physical version, do they unlock download option after registration also? I mean at least for updates, they have to(?)

Confirming that you will get the download option after registering. In fact, the upgrade doesn't even come with a drive, it's just a code in an envelope that you will register to get the download. Sadly, we're still required to ship it.

70 bucks for a letter with the code

And that throws jrrshop out of the race for me (and maybe even the upgrade in general....)

To be clear: thats not against you UncleE/jrrshop, the principle is just crazy.

I really had it in my basket for 169 til the need to add the shipping came.....

[Kypresso]

Why are you guys even debating this? It's Omnisphere FFS, just order and relax. You know you want it!

Dont want it at all, i want an updated Stylus RMX.

[IvyBirds]

You seem to be confused

You are talking about DAW/Host Automation which is extremely robust with Omnisphere, as is MIDI Learn and can be configured to do whatever you want

You seem to want to only talk about cc automation and I get it, it seems that there's nothing like Ableton/Bitwigs or NI Kontrol S mk3 control surface support here, or you're not aware of it, we're talking different languages.

Plugin automation in many DAWs and with some hardware can be used instead of MIDI of course, where hardware controllers automatically map and bank to different parameters, often reordered by the plugin, or host to make more sense. No CC involved.

Nothing is being said by you that hints that Omnisphere is doing this on a global level, thats what I'm on about. CC automation is great when you're stuck, but it's far from ideal as you've pointed out with it's inability to bank to different cc values on the software side. Seems like an old Remote Zero would be the perfect tool for Omnisphere that way.

The hardware integration with Midi Controllers is just a simplified version of 8-16 controls preset to work with the default CCs your controller puts out with the default factory settings. Those controls are knob per function but are limited by the amount of physical controls you have on your controller

It has nothing to do with either MIDI learn or DAW/Host Automation which is extremely robust and can be used in conjunction with hardware integration

You can simply buy pretty much any controller on the market, even cheap ones, or use the hardware synth or controller you already have and with zero effort use it to control some of the most important controls across tens of thousands of patches

So yeah, it's probably more capable of host/plugin automation than what is being talked about here, it's just that we can't move past the CC automation part... For instance with Falcon, (an equally complex and possible mess of host automation if left without a solution), the solution is to map internally the host automation which presents itself 1 to 500 or some ungodly number. Then saving that preset, every time it gets called up those (bankable in hardware) parameters show up on your hardware controller in the order that you mapped them in. Sounds like maybe Omnisphere is using CC automation to do the same thing, but without host automations ability to bank the controller to the next 16-32 parameters etc. Is that how it works for you? Reading up it, looks like you can assign host automation, but it's per patch.

Falcon doesn't automatically assign the most used parameters in it's patches to macros, even if it has macros... I'm getting the impression that's the case with Omnisphere too. I really like the concept of Macros in an instrument, having the 8-24 most used parameters always available first to control surfaces is a smart idea, ditches NKS, Automap etc. It's IMO weird that 20 odd years later we're just finally seeing host automation being used to present macro controls to the DAW in plugins, it seems like it should have been that way back then..

Again you seem to be confused and are putting words into my mouth. You seem to not be able to grasp what the Global Controls are and their purpose in Omnisphere 3

The are simply 18 common controls that are used universally across every patch. Nothing more and nothing less. Along with that they have included a bunch of hardware MIDI control profiles that work with a ton of different controllers. Those controllers by default from their manufacturers output MIDI CCs that the manufacturer sets for the knobs and faders on the devices. So all Spectrasonics did was figure out what the factory default CCs were on each device for each control and made a preset for them. Since MIDI CCs are part of the MIDI spec, unlike the proprietary formats you are advocating for, and are universal and every MIDI controller uses them, why would Spectrasonics use anything else? What is wrong with using the universal non proprietary format?

Many people myself included want/need more than that. So Spectrasonics created a very robust system to expose things to DAW/Host Automation. With Omnisphere you can enable up to 512 Host Automation parameters. There are probably a 1,000 or more that can be exposed to your DAW/Host, and Omnisphere allows you to create a custom template file that allows you to utilize 512 of them

This is amazingly powerful, amazingly robust, and allows you to do amazing things with DAWs, Sequencers, Controllers, and VST Hosts. You can if course utilize MIDI CCs with that but there is not need to

If you need more than 512 assignments using Host Automation which is unfathomable, you can also use a very robust MIDI Learn together with Host Automation. Using MIDI learn you can have an additional 2, 032 possible assignments. Those would require MIDI CCs and that is of course using MIDI 1.0 if/when Omnisphere 3 goes MIDI 2.0 there are over 32,000 potential controls available

Again utilizing non proprietary industry standard controls

You can save the file either globally or per patch in Omnisphere

That's very handy and in my setup I utilize Gig Performer as my VST Host and have 6 MIDI controllers plugged into my PC that provide hundreds of physical controls. So I can use the global file of history automation for my default rig or one of several alternative files that I have created on a patch by patch basis

[bermudagold]

can you still load keyscape and trillian samples into omnisphere?...can you use the mutate algorithm on all 3 together?

[noiseboyuk]

can you still load keyscape and trillian samples into omnisphere?...can you use the mutate algorithm on all 3 together?

Yes to both.

From the manual, explaining the "Core Library Only" checkbox:

Core Library Only limits Mutate to select Soundsources that appear only in the Omnisphere Core Library. When unchecked, Mutate will search through any Soundsources in your STEAM folder, including those from Satellite Instruments, Sonic Extensions, and your own audio.

(Satellite Instruments are Keyscape and Trilian).

[bermudagold]

can you still load keyscape and trillian samples into omnisphere?...can you use the mutate algorithm on all 3 together?

Yes to both.

From the manual, explaining the "Core Library Only" checkbox:

Core Library Only limits Mutate to select Soundsources that appear only in the Omnisphere Core Library. When unchecked, Mutate will search through any Soundsources in your STEAM folder, including those from Satellite Instruments, Sonic Extensions, and your own audio.

(Satellite Instruments are Keyscape and Trilian).

pretty powerful for fully invested spec heads...do aliases work or do you need to physically move samples to STEAM folder?

[machinesworking]

Again you seem to be confused and are putting words into my mouth. You seem to not be able to grasp what the Global Controls are and their purpose in Omnisphere 3

Nope, got it, but I'm not here to argue, just to ask questions and learn. Thanks for gritting your teeth and sharing, I'm slightly disappointed Omnisphere also does not present it's macro (global in Spectrosonics speak) controls to the host in the first 8-64 slots etc. but it's unfortunately rare. Plasmonic, Pigments do, Analog Lab and Zebra 2 with some slight caveats. Mackie Control 20 years ago could read host automation, so it's weird that some plugins still publish in a random order.

Obviously Spectrasonics decided to go with CC for various reasons, not all hosts can reorder plugin automation, and some don't have the random control surface support that Live and Bitwig do for instance. So in the case of DP11 as an example CC is a better solution, and yes if I were to get Ominisphere hopefully it could set up CCs in Kontrol mk3 with the two banks of 16 knobs and buttons that can have CCs

[SamDi]

Yeah Falcon is a 100% no go for me due to it's abysmal workflow and UI. It's the only synth that I kind of regret buying as it's clear the developers are not interested in ever enhancing the basic workflow.

While Omnisphere isn't all that great either in terms of UI/workflow, it's still miles better than Falcon.

I don't know, what you all have problems with Falcon. I mean it's a sampler in it's core with keyzones, mutiple layers and multiple parts. And from the contenders which play in the same league aka Kontakt and Halion, Falcon has this solved best GUI-wise IMO.

Of course the GUI is frustrating, when you wanna make a synth patch and compare it with a synth like Serum or Pigments. But for working with samples, keyzones and layers this approach is not so bad. What approach would you propose instead? I don't say it's perfect. There are some inconsistencies, quirks and some things could be more round or better thought out. But the basic idea is not so bad.

It makes absolutely no sense to compare it with Omnisphere, because it is way more complex and way more open. With the LUA scripting ability you could probably implement an UVI-Omnisphere-version with the same GUI inside it.

[Uncle E]

Of course the GUI is frustrating, when you wanna make a synth patch and compare it with a synth like Serum or Pigments.

Falcon is great but it's been introduced into an Omnisphere thread, and I think we can all agree that the workflows are completely different.

[BJ]

I wish they would’ve done a shadow drop so I could play with it this weekend.

[SamDi]

Falcon is great but it's been introduced into an Omnisphere thread, and I think we can all agree that the workflows are completely different.

Absolutely

[Funky40]

can you still load keyscape and trillian samples into omnisphere?...can you use the mutate algorithm on all 3 together?

Yes to both.

(Satellite Instruments are Keyscape and Trilian).

seeing this, does this mean one could also use the "polyphonic Frqequenzy Shifter" for the Trilian Sounds ?

also has Omnisphere some "Great" Grand Pianos ? .....or Trillian ? edit: i meant Keyscape ! ohoh
i WANT a Piano ( and EPs) with FREQ shift per Key.....oh my....i rub a bank for that...