Real-time/live Slice Rearrangers

[BennyG]

Really great tips, thank you. We are kind of doing similar things: Playing guitar, using the computer to loop and mangle. Are you playing drums as well? Those drums next to you are either yours or another performers.

I wish! No, those drums belong to a friend who was also playing that night. I just switch between super-basic drum machine patterns in Live and then layer sliced breaks on top. Might not be obvious from the vid, but the breaks are triggered from the guitar, which also outputs MIDI. Another button on the foot pedal controls a toggle to dictate whether guitar audio or breaks are heard when I play notes on the guitar. The breaks channel is of course also routed into a looper -> Turnado chain so I can loop and mangle the beats. It all gets very convoluted!

Just remembered there's a better example of all this. From 2hrs - 2hr 5min here:

Would love to hear/see what you've got going on.

Looks like unobtanium but someone did port LiveCut so maybe SupaTrigga is somewhere too?

I think I still have the old 32-bit .dll file for SupaTrigga around here somewhere - happy to share since it's abandonware. It works fine in Reaper, but I find it a little bit wild and unpredictable tbh.

[Ah_Dziz]

I think lots of the smart electronix plugins are still available on "don't crack". I haven't really checked since I have backups of all that stuff. Some of it is 32bit only but I'm sure you can still get it.

[PTV]

I think lots of the smart electronix plugins are still available on "don't crack". I haven't really checked since I have backups of all that stuff. Some of it is 32bit only but I'm sure you can still get it.

AFAIK Don't Crack never hosted any software, it just linked to developer's website.

[Ah_Dziz]

Oh word. I don't really know. Just recalling sites that (I thought) hosted freeware and such.

[manymanyhaha]

then layer sliced breaks on top. Might not be obvious from the vid, but the breaks are triggered from the guitar, which also outputs MIDI. Another button on the foot pedal controls a toggle to dictate whether guitar audio or breaks are heard when I play notes on the guitar. The breaks channel is of course also routed into a looper -> Turnado chain so I can loop and mangle the beats. It all gets very convoluted!

Just remembered there's a better example of all this. From 2hrs - 2hr 5min here:

Would love to hear/see what you've got going on.

I think I still have the old 32-bit .dll file for SupaTrigga around here somewhere - happy to share since it's abandonware. It works fine in Reaper, but I find it a little bit wild and unpredictable tbh.

More great tips, thank you!

I enjoyed watching you play that set, watched all 15 or so minutes. So three or four instances of Turnado is creating all that bedlam? You've given me quite a bit to think about and chew on.

Sig below has my youtube channel. Live stream is playing various bits of things from last 2 or 3 years and I improvise live on there sometimes too, looping drums and guitar. Mostly experimentation and improvisation.

If someone ported SupaTrigga like LiveCut (which is a fun little VST), I'd be interested but too much trouble with old and 32 bit, etc. I think, being in Reaper, Sensei, Looperator and Turnado are going to have to be what I focus on for awhile.

Tried to mess with the Beam Time Module quite a bit but I get tons of noise at the loop points. Did some troubleshooting for awhile then gave up. I need to play with it some more but I think my set up does not like Beam.

[Uncle E]

A nice thing about Sugar Bytes is there’s only one product they’ve ever stopped developing, I think.

[manymanyhaha]

And also I don't recall ever having a problem with them crashing or not working.

[BennyG]

More great tips, thank you!

I enjoyed watching you play that set, watched all 15 or so minutes. So three or four instances of Turnado is creating all that bedlam?

Yes, plus the 6 instances that are placed across the 3 instruments I trigger via the big MIDI grid (drum machine/303 bass/chiptune synth). There's a smaller grid of buttons to the left that can bypass any of the 10 Turnado instances, so any combination of dry/effected is possible across all the instrument channels. Most of the chaos is caused by the jog-wheel, which is mapped to control the tempo of the entire project - turning the wheel whilst engaging Stutter Edit across the master bus creates some awfully noisy transitions, plus the very act of manipulating tempo on the fly will make the output of the loopers and pattern shufflers go completely off kilter time-wise. It's fun to get a groove going, then completely destroy it, then try to rescue something coherent from the chaos again.

Looking forward to trying out Beam and the Buffer Shuffler Ableton device, this has been a very useful thread for suggestions that I wasn't aware of. Devious Machines Infiltrator is another one I'd like to try, though I'm not sure if it does full pattern slicing/rearranging, or just basic stutters.

[Thymos]

I am not certain but isn't permut8 from sonic charge also able to rearrange things in real time?

Update: There is a "firmware" for permut8 which is called beatrick. The description of it is:

Beatrick: beat mangling firmware with real‑time beat splicing and rearrangement

[manymanyhaha]

And also I don't recall ever having a problem with them crashing or not working.

And then of course, got a Turnado crash yesterday, ha. Just moving it from one screen to another. Anyway.

Most of the chaos is caused by the jog-wheel, which is mapped to control the tempo of the entire project - turning the wheel whilst engaging Stutter Edit across the master bus creates some awfully noisy transitions, plus the very act of manipulating tempo on the fly will make the output of the loopers and pattern shufflers go completely off kilter time-wise. It's fun to get a groove going, then completely destroy it, then try to rescue something coherent from the chaos again.

Saw that, was wondering about the tempo slowdowns. Thanks again for the info

I am not certain but isn't permut8 from sonic charge also able to rearrange things in real time?

Update: There is a "firmware" for permut8 which is called beatrick. The description of it is:

Beatrick: beat mangling firmware with real‑time beat splicing and rearrangement

I'm going to check this out

Edit: Permut8 Beatrick has a lot of promise. Looks like prices dropped a fair amount at Sonic Charge since last I looked. Always wanted to try Synplant too.

[oobesan]

Logic Pro Beat Breaker does this.

It doesn't take your incoming audio and buffer it, but Audiomodern Loopmix lets you load 6 audio tracks into it, slices them all up, and then applies various selectable randomizer algorithms to play it all in either monophonic or polyphonic mode. It's actually insanely fun.

[pekbro]

Just picked up FlipCraft from Mikey Audio...



https://mikey.audio/

[Dirtgrain]

Seems nifty--but pricey. Report back, please.

[pekbro]

Seems nifty--but pricey. Report back, please.

It's pretty cool so far, yeah pricing is probably in the premium range, especially after intro expires. I had an opportunity to get it at a bit of an early adopter deal, for a bit less. The demo allows you to check it out pretty well and is worth a look imo.

The dev has put an amazing amount of work and consideration into it I think.

Anyway, I'll comment on it again.

[pekbro]

I did invite the FlipCraft dev here, he’s going to look into joining up.