Does Dune 3 Have all the features of Dune 1? Anyone still hanging on to both?

[Touch The Universe]

Take it from someone who has spent countless hours with every version of DUNE since it was first released, D3 is a far superior synth to D1 in every way. That's why they're called "upgrades".

With all respect, I’m going to have to disagree here. Dune 3 is definitely more feature-rich and polished — it has amazing pads and tons of capabilities — but I wouldn’t say it’s superior to Dune 1 in every way. In my video, I clearly show how much more elegant the FM implementation is in Dune 1, and the sounds you can create with it, especially the distorted leads, are absolutely stunning and expressive — almost to the point of speaking. You can make that synth sound downright gnarly, and that’s one common complaint I’ve heard about Dune 3: it just can’t sound as mean and nasty as Dune 1.

Sure, if you really push it, you can coax some interesting harder tones out of Dune 3, but nothing quite captures that elegantly nasty bite that Dune 1 has. I’m only saying this because I know someone will reply with, “I can make Dune 3 sound nasty too!” Of course, you can try, and you might get close, but that specific kind of aggression and rawness you hear in my video simply isn’t there. If I’m wrong, prove it.

And just because something is called an “upgrade” doesn’t mean every single feature has been retained through all the iterations. Those original filters weren’t carried over, so it’s not a true upgrade in that sense — it improved some things while downgrading or removing others. My favorite part of that synth was the filters, and since they were taken out, Dune 2 ended up being both an improvement and a downgrade. Not to mention, it’s literally a different synth under the hood — they share the same name, but from what I understand, there’s very little shared code. So yeah, I’m not just going to accept that “it’s an upgrade, so it’s better.”

Here's that section of the gnarly nasty lead listen to the 20 or so seconds of this part. And actually for some reason, YouTube is not letting me link it to the time so you're gonna have to manually go to 1034

[seafire]

Keep using V1 then, stop moaning.

[Teksonik]

With all respect, I’m going to have to disagree here.

That's fine. With all respect, you have every right to be wrong.

Here's that section of the gnarly nasty lead listen to the 20 or so seconds of this part.

That's an absolutely horrid sound. If those are the kinds of sounds you're using to show there is any reason to use D1 in 2025 then you have failed miserably.

I could post hours of videos showing D3 patches that simply blow away anything D1 can do but what's the point? We're just going to keep disagreeing with each other and in the end D1 is dead and D3 is still under active development so I know which one makes logical sense to use.

This isn't the first time a couple of people have brought up wanting D1 to be revived and if Rich thought it was a good idea or that adding anything from D1 to D3 made sense he would have done it by now.

To be honest if Rich ever considers spending one minute on D1 now I will push back as hard as I can since that time would be better spent on D3 and the other recent synths in the Synapse collection.

As Seafire mentioned above just keep using D1 and stop wasting your time wishing for it to be resurrected.

[Touch The Universe]

You guys are missing the points.

You guys also seems closed off in your own world/opinions.

Good day.

[dasen]

I still use Dune 1 due to its UI

[HTT]

This reminds me of discussions way back in the day when everyone sold their Sh-101s because "old stuff is always inferior to new stuff".

[eLawnMust]

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This is the example that seems to show up in every other reply... Well it's a good thing that didn't apply to tube amps as nothing can beat them... I guess I'll trash my '72 Jazz Bass because it's too old as well as the old-old rolling stones albums, they must be pure shit as they are so old... Let's not even mention the sheer hundreds of developers that emulate old hardware synths & tube amps they must be looney huh?

If a synth sounded good back then it STILL sounds good now... Whether a newer is better is a case study as you would have to test resource usage, buggy-ness & more vs the old...

But like I asked earlier WHERE are all these cool tunes any of you have done yourselves using Dune 3? Real tunes not preset demos and YOURS not someone elses... If not then your arguments are weak, you are just biased as you have bought the new but don't actually use it because 'it's so good'...

[tapper mike]

I have Dune 2.., Dune 3 sounds great. I won't be upgrading. It's not about Dune I'm just moving my musical attention elsewhere as there are only so many hours in a day and shifting musical styles.

[eLawnMust]

Yeah, Of course Dune 3 sounds great, many other out there sound great but it's NOT that the synths are so great they just take advantage of much more powerful machines nowadays... So in reality nobody notices these new synths USE alot more RAM/CPU... I bet Dune 3 uses quite a bit more resources than Dune 1 which came out, what like 15 years ago now? Dune 1 is pretty frugal on resources...

Problem is that 'fat, nice wide awesome patches' does not equate to better music if you don't know music... It's great for the preset peruser or somebody who knows not anything about constructing a tune... Such individuals are consumed with 'fat sounds' as they cannot make anything else... Usually obsessed with drum plugins as well as that's something most anyone can play...

If your music is 'good' then it will show up standalone, without any FX, using simple instruments, no panning BS... Now simplify your tune as much as possible by reducing all the novice FX & overmodulated patches... Does it still sound good or does it sound like a shitty lullaby made by simple jack?

[zerocrossing]

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This is the example that seems to show up in every other reply... Well it's a good thing that didn't apply to tube amps as nothing can beat them... I guess I'll trash my '72 Jazz Bass because it's too old as well as the old-old rolling stones albums, they must be pure shit as they are so old... Let's not even mention the sheer hundreds of developers that emulate old hardware synths & tube amps they must be looney huh?

If a synth sounded good back then it STILL sounds good now... Whether a newer is better is a case study as you would have to test resource usage, buggy-ness & more vs the old...

But like I asked earlier WHERE are all these cool tunes any of you have done yourselves using Dune 3? Real tunes not preset demos and YOURS not someone elses... If not then your arguments are weak, you are just biased as you have bought the new but don't actually use it because 'it's so good'...

[eLawnMust]

Attack the message not the messenger... got no retort?

[seafire]

Yeah, Of course Dune 3 sounds great, many other out there sound great but it's NOT that the synths are so great they just take advantage of much more powerful machines nowadays... So in reality nobody notices these new synths USE alot more RAM/CPU... I bet Dune 3 uses quite a bit more resources than Dune 1 which came out, what like 15 years ago now? Dune 1 is pretty frugal on resources...

Of course it uses more cpu. It's a complete rewrite, the raw quality is much better than V1. It has better osc/filter/envs than v1. That's before you get into the fx and mods.

Having said that, it's still very reasonable