Omnisphere 3

[zerocrossing]

I was witness to a discussion on vi-control a few years ago between Hans Z and Eric. I had asked Hans why he doesn't use Omnisphere his response was, from memory, it just has too many patches. Eric volunteered to go to Remote Control and strip some of the patches off of Hans's install of Omniphere ( if I am remembering correctly).
I myself, though owning Omnisphere 1 and 2 from day one, probably haven't even played with 50% of the patches, cause it really is overwhelming for me.
My point is boosting the numbers by double counting, isn't always a positive for everyone.
rsp

I find this conversation to be weird. There's nothing that forces anyone to use or even audition presets. I mostly ignore all the presets, as I find it very easy to come up with my own sounds. When I have checked out their presets, they seem to be largely "synth seller" presets that seem to be perfect for soundtrack work, but little else. Fun to check out, but I wonder who would use them, outside someone making a low budget TV show.

[IvyBirds]

Try as I might I can't make sense of this para. If you look on the website for my example patch Dolby's Guitaret, it will appear listed 7 times - 6 new directories and 1 legacy one. The 6 will be indentical to one another using new fx etc, the 7th is the original tags and fx.

So if All is indeed searching All and you search for the patch name, it will harvest 7 occurrences across all those directories. As I said, it remains to be seen if the search results are sharp enough to ignore 6 of them (or just have one remastered and one legacy version).

As I understand it think of it this way. Inside of the plugin itself there are multiple databases. Each one is just a list of patches. In 2025 that is simple to implement, and hardly uses any CPU, RAM, or memory

When you are searching say the Ambient Dreams category all you are doing is searching the database in the Ambient Dreams Category. If a patch is also listed elsewhere it doesn't matter as you are not in that database. That same patch might me in "Organic Textures" again if you search that you are in a different database and again it doesn't matter what other databases it's in. The Legacy patches are in a separate Database from all of the others

Finally if you do a search in "All" that is using the "All Database". That is a separate Database from all of the others it's not a conglomerate of all of them. In this case it's a separate list entirely. The system doesn't need to exclude anything and just returns results from the Database you are in so if you are in th All Category it doesn't matter if the patch is in the others, as it's not searching there. All is just a list the same as all of the others

The database will then just point to the actual file where the actual patch data is stored. So it only needs to be stored once in one place

[nirm123]

If we pre-order now from JRR Shop, will we have access straight away to the same downloads once Spectrasonics opens up their servers? Or it it best to just order straight from Spectrasonics for the download option ?

Yes, once registered you access the same downloads.

is this true even though the download option exists only when ordering directly from Spectrasonics? in that case why should I pay much more for ordering from Spectrasonics when ordering from 3rd party gives me both the download option + the physical disk?

[Caine123]

can someone post maybe the Boxed version of Omnisphere 3 Upgrade Box when they have it?

[BJ]

Christmas came early. Just purchased it and am downloading now...

[noiseboyuk]

Try as I might I can't make sense of this para. If you look on the website for my example patch Dolby's Guitaret, it will appear listed 7 times - 6 new directories and 1 legacy one. The 6 will be indentical to one another using new fx etc, the 7th is the original tags and fx.

So if All is indeed searching All and you search for the patch name, it will harvest 7 occurrences across all those directories. As I said, it remains to be seen if the search results are sharp enough to ignore 6 of them (or just have one remastered and one legacy version).

As I understand it think of it this way. Inside of the plugin itself there are multiple databases. Each one is just a list of patches. In 2025 that is simple to implement, and hardly uses any CPU, RAM, or memory

When you are searching say the Ambient Dreams category all you are doing is searching the database in the Ambient Dreams Category. If a patch is also listed elsewhere it doesn't matter as you are not in that database. That same patch might me in "Organic Textures" again if you search that you are in a different database and again it doesn't matter what other databases it's in. The Legacy patches are in a separate Database from all of the others

Finally if you do a search in "All" that is using the "All Database". That is a separate Database from all of the others it's not a conglomerate of all of them. In this case it's a separate list entirely. The system doesn't need to exclude anything and just returns results from the Database you are in so if you are in th All Category it doesn't matter if the patch is in the others, as it's not searching there. All is just a list the same as all of the others

The database will then just point to the actual file where the actual patch data is stored. So it only needs to be stored once in one place

This would solve that problem, but it is a lot of work to maintain consistency through every update if they had to maintain a separate database. It would make more sense to me that they just intelligently exclude duplicates on the fly - no ongoing maintenance required.

Either which way, I do hope they have something with this outcome, it will be a better user experience. It still doesn't stop the compatibility issues with the new database and all their others eg Moog, Trilian etc, which all use a completely different set of categories.

[noiseboyuk]

If we pre-order now from JRR Shop, will we have access straight away to the same downloads once Spectrasonics opens up their servers? Or it it best to just order straight from Spectrasonics for the download option ?

Yes, once registered you access the same downloads.

is this true even though the download option exists only when ordering directly from Spectrasonics? in that case why should I pay much more for ordering from Spectrasonics when ordering from 3rd party gives me both the download option + the physical disk?

According to Uncle E, the update version is literally just a code in a box. Only the full retail version has install media.

It's all quite bizarre in this day and age, but is seemingly due to their longstanding positive relationship with their resellers.

[cocoazenith]

I bought omnisphere 2 second hand, which is why I cannot sell the license again. I am wondering if reselling would be possible, when I buy the upgrade to version 3. Can anybody tell?

No, and it's beyond infuriating.

Here is why:
I'm a v1 transfer owner and paid for an official upgrade to v2 almost 11 years ago. I could not resell my v2 and was hoping that upgrading to v3 would at last remove this NFR status for my final product: v3 in this case. So I sent an email to Spectrasonics support during the weekend and got a reply today. It seems that the license transfer policy remains unchanged and you can't resell the latest version you're at (let's say v5 in 20 years time), even if you pay thousands of dollars on upgrades just because the original product was a transfer license Utterly ridiculous.

[IvyBirds]

If we pre-order now from JRR Shop, will we have access straight away to the same downloads once Spectrasonics opens up their servers? Or it it best to just order straight from Spectrasonics for the download option ?

Yes, once registered you access the same downloads.

is this true even though the download option exists only when ordering directly from Spectrasonics? in that case why should I pay much more for ordering from Spectrasonics when ordering from 3rd party gives me both the download option + the physical disk?

I don't think they actually give out physical disks anymore, it's just a download code in a box

For version 2 I got the boxed version and it was a weird SSD in the box that was unlike any other SSD I have ever seen. After I used the drive to install everything it asked me to update to the most recent version and it ended up downloading everything anyway. So I can see why it's just a download code now

I would just buy it from where you can get the best deal. But to buy a boxed version just to save a few bucks and deal with the risk of porch pirates, lost shipments etc is just not worth the hassle

[fisherKing]

I bought omnisphere 2 second hand, which is why I cannot sell the license again. I am wondering if reselling would be possible, when I buy the upgrade to version 3. Can anybody tell?

No, and it's beyond infurating.

Here is why:
I'm a v1 transfer owner and paid for an official upgrade to v2 almost 11 years ago. I could not resell my v2 and was hoping that upgrading to v3 would at last remove my this nfr status. So I sent an email to Spectrasonics support during the weekend and it seems that the license transfer policy remains unchanged even if you pay thousands of dollars on upgrades just because the original product was a transfer license Utterly ridiculous.

v3 is a newer version of omnisphere, not an entirely different thing. seems reasonable that you can't sell your v2 license when you move to v3.

plus you've had 'almost 11 years' out of v2; i'd suggest you're getting your money's worth.

[zvenx]

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I find this conversation to be weird. There's nothing that forces anyone to use or even audition presets. I mostly ignore all the presets, as I find it very easy to come up with my own sounds. When I have checked out their presets, they seem to be largely "synth seller" presets that seem to be perfect for soundtrack work, but little else. Fun to check out, but I wonder who would use them, outside someone making a low budget TV show.

Except of course when omnisphere first came out you could hear a lot of its presets in many Prime Time TV shows on networks not just low budget tv shows..

When I get most synths or preset banks I like to go thru the presets and favourite the ones I like.
I rarely go back to the ones which aren't favourited... makes my work flow significantly quicker with the quick turn around I have to do deliver to clients...I haven't with omnisphere (probably the only synth I have that allows favouriting that I haven't, because its just too much.
I am not all saying or suggesting they don't add more patches or it has too many, just for me it becomes overwhelming and clearly I am not alone.
rsp

[cocoazenith]

v3 is a newer version of omnisphere, not an entirely different thing. seems reasonable that you can't sell your v2 license when you move to v3.
plus you've had 'almost 11 years' out of v2; i'd suggest you're getting your money's worth.

I'm referring to the last version you own after upgrading. Not v1 or v2 in this case.
If I upgade to v3, I would be at my second official paid upgrade and still not be able to pass the product to another person.

[IvyBirds]

I bought omnisphere 2 second hand, which is why I cannot sell the license again. I am wondering if reselling would be possible, when I buy the upgrade to version 3. Can anybody tell?

No, and it's beyond infurating.

Here is why:
I'm a v1 transfer owner and paid for an official upgrade to v2 almost 11 years ago. I could not resell my v2 and was hoping that upgrading to v3 would at last remove my this nfr status. So I sent an email to Spectrasonics support during the weekend and it seems that the license transfer policy remains unchanged even if you pay thousands of dollars on upgrades just because the original product was a transfer license Utterly ridiculous.

No one spent thousands of dollars to upgrade from version 1 to version 2 of Omnisphere and the version 3 upgrade costs just $199. I am pretty sure the upgrade to 2 from 1 was also $199

To qualify for that Spectrasonics requires that you be owner of a previous version, if you sell off that previous version you are no longer an owner

That is the way pretty much all of all software companies work especially in the creative arts space

[IvyBirds]

v3 is a newer version of omnisphere, not an entirely different thing. seems reasonable that you can't sell your v2 license when you move to v3.
plus you've had 'almost 11 years' out of v2; i'd suggest you're getting your money's worth.

I'm referring to the last version you own after upgrading. Not v1 or v2 in this case.
If I upgade to v3, I would be at my second official paid upgrade and still not be able to pass the product to another person.

So you own version 1 and got a paid upgrade to 2 at a deep discount which requires you to be an owner of 1. Since your upgraded version 2 required you to own version 1 any upgrades tied to version 3 for two also requires you to own version one

It's really not that hard any ownership of an Upgrade requires a base product that was not an upgrade

[cryophonik]

Over the 17-year period that I've owned Omnisphere (v1 and v2), I've actually played/listened to maybe 25% of its patches, and many of those were from the Atmosphere library that I owned long before Omni was released. While everybody was going on and on about Omnisphere being "just a rompler", I was happily making my own patches from scratch and just SMH. I still don't think of it as just a preset player, but it does have a more excellent presets than I'll ever user or listen to and I love to layer those raw samples alongside the VA engine when making my own.