kontakt already has granular and wavetable under the hood...all they'd have to do is expose it in a user friendly way...but that would cannibalize their business and 3rd parties of selling you kontakt instruments somewhat...same reason i would assume spectrasonics fought sample import for so long and still hasn't provided a full workstation pcm implementationsellyoursoul wrote: Fri Oct 24, 2025 12:47 pmThey have Reaktor that they are letting rot on the vine, so they definitely have the means, maybe other than the sound design of patches.jobinho wrote: Fri Oct 24, 2025 12:45 pm Wouldnt it be awesome if Native Instruments created an Omnisphere-like platform for Kontakt Libraries, this is really what Kontakt should be. Or perhaps Native Instruments buy Spectrasonics and incorporate NKI. That could go badly wrong I realize, but still I dream
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- KVRian
- 1030 posts since 15 Feb, 2005
Music had a one night stand with sound design.....And the condom broke
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- KVRAF
- 2784 posts since 24 Nov, 2023
I was unaware that AI generated images produce sounds in Omnisphere 3, as a result I foolishly upgraded to use it as a tool for audio production. I now see the error in my ways, I mean if they are going to use AI art to show a guitar that's not realistic, the next thing you are going to tell me is they use guitar samples to make sounds that don't sound anything like a realistic guitar and that would just be devastating. I mean if my pad sound with multiple pitch shifters, granular processing, and long rich reverb doesn't sound exactly like a 1967 Martin acoustic what are we all doing here?tumface wrote: Fri Oct 24, 2025 2:24 pm Yeah, putting a slop cover on your thing seems like a really bad idea. This is right from their website. I have no interest in this at all, now. Who's to know what other corners they've cut?![]()
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- KVRian
- 674 posts since 11 Apr, 2006
I'm using the images chosen by the creators of a product, which they chose to represent their product, as one of the heuristics for judging the product's qualities. If they don't want the images they've chosen as representations of their products to represent their product, they shouldn't have chosen images to represent their product. I think that is pretty reasonable.IvyBirds wrote: Fri Oct 24, 2025 4:46 pm I was unaware that AI generated images produce sounds in Omnisphere 3, as a result I foolishly upgraded to use it as a tool for audio production. I now see the error in my ways, I mean if they are going to use AI art to show a guitar that's not realistic, the next thing you are going to tell me is they use guitar samples to make sounds that don't sound anything like a realistic guitar and that would just be devastating. I mean if my pad sound with multiple pitch shifters, granular processing, and long rich reverb doesn't sound exactly like a 1967 Martin acoustic what are we all doing here?
It may still sound totally fine. But a passer-by seeing AI slop used as a cover image, deliberately chosen to represent the product as iconic imagery, has every right to be turned off by it and assume the rest of the product is also sloppy. Why else would they have added imagery where it wasn't otherwise needed?
- KVRian
- 1112 posts since 26 Jun, 2008 from Czech Republic
...since I noticed that, I can't help myself from being a little less motivated to open Omnisphere. Especially as you can't avoid it. The UI requires you to choose the library in both browsers. Otherwise there's silence. So whenever you open this (thankfully still) really good sounding synth, an AI picture stares at you. In a world where musicians are getting effed by AI industry every day, seeing AI picture when you want to create something human is ... terrible. I'm sorry.
Also like come on. Every single thing on that picture is available as a 3D model on Blendswap for a very cheap license. Blender is free. It would take them two hours max to create a better looking non-AI picture.
You know what? (I'm going to be really mean as my buyer's regert creeps in.) I think I'm happy there's not that many new soundsources. If they half-a**ed the graphics like that, god knows how many of new soundsources would be from SUNO or something. Nah...
Also like come on. Every single thing on that picture is available as a 3D model on Blendswap for a very cheap license. Blender is free. It would take them two hours max to create a better looking non-AI picture.
You know what? (I'm going to be really mean as my buyer's regert creeps in.) I think I'm happy there's not that many new soundsources. If they half-a**ed the graphics like that, god knows how many of new soundsources would be from SUNO or something. Nah...
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http://www.noctucat.com/
- KVRAF
- 3642 posts since 6 Aug, 2009
i dunno, seems like a complete non-issue, for a music plugin you make music with. perhaps it would matter if this was a photo or image-editing app...tumface wrote: Fri Oct 24, 2025 5:00 pmI'm using the images chosen by the creators of a product, which they chose to represent their product, as one of the heuristics for judging the product's qualities. If they don't want the images they've chosen as representations of their products to represent their product, they shouldn't have chosen images to represent their product. I think that is pretty reasonable.IvyBirds wrote: Fri Oct 24, 2025 4:46 pm I was unaware that AI generated images produce sounds in Omnisphere 3, as a result I foolishly upgraded to use it as a tool for audio production. I now see the error in my ways, I mean if they are going to use AI art to show a guitar that's not realistic, the next thing you are going to tell me is they use guitar samples to make sounds that don't sound anything like a realistic guitar and that would just be devastating. I mean if my pad sound with multiple pitch shifters, granular processing, and long rich reverb doesn't sound exactly like a 1967 Martin acoustic what are we all doing here?
It may still sound totally fine. But a passer-by seeing AI slop used as a cover image, deliberately chosen to represent the product as iconic imagery, has every right to be turned off by it and assume the rest of the product is also sloppy. Why else would they have added imagery where it wasn't otherwise needed?
i use my ears to determine the value of a sound, not an image. i believe in the idea of 'don't judge a book by its cover'
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- KVRian
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Judging a book you haven't yet read by its cover is a great strategy. I sure as heck would not read a book with an AI generated cover. What do you think will be written inside? I mean, that's pretty obvious, right?fisherKing wrote: Fri Oct 24, 2025 5:36 pm i believe in the idea of 'don't judge a book by its cover'
The original saying meant judging solely by its cover after you've read the book.
- KVRian
- 1112 posts since 26 Jun, 2008 from Czech Republic
Absolutely agree.tumface wrote: Fri Oct 24, 2025 5:53 pm (...that being said, I know Omnisphere sounds good and has amazing presets. I think the AI image thing is a real shame.)
Evovled into noctucat...
http://www.noctucat.com/
http://www.noctucat.com/
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Yeah.. would be nice if one could just import multisamples or even if it’s just in a sfz format like Serum 2 does it.bermudagold wrote: Fri Oct 24, 2025 4:44 pmkontakt already has granular and wavetable under the hood...all they'd have to do is expose it in a user friendly way...but that would cannibalize their business and 3rd parties of selling you kontakt instruments somewhat...same reason i would assume spectrasonics fought sample import for so long and still hasn't provided a full workstation pcm implementationsellyoursoul wrote: Fri Oct 24, 2025 12:47 pmThey have Reaktor that they are letting rot on the vine, so they definitely have the means, maybe other than the sound design of patches.jobinho wrote: Fri Oct 24, 2025 12:45 pm Wouldnt it be awesome if Native Instruments created an Omnisphere-like platform for Kontakt Libraries, this is really what Kontakt should be. Or perhaps Native Instruments buy Spectrasonics and incorporate NKI. That could go badly wrong I realize, but still I dream
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- KVRian
- 674 posts since 11 Apr, 2006
You looked at the covers? I respect you for going above and beyond your fellow classmates in English litvurt wrote: Fri Oct 24, 2025 6:11 pm did so many book reviews for english literature, from just the covers!![]()
OK, sorry, back to Omnisphere.
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- KVRAF
- 5444 posts since 15 Feb, 2020
Can’t go wrong wrong!
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- KVRAF
- 3642 posts since 6 Aug, 2009
"The saying "never judge a book by its cover" or "don't judge a book by its cover" means that you shouldn't judge someone or something based only on what you see on the outside or only on what you perceive without knowing the full situation. It means that the outward appearance of something is not an indication of its value or worth"tumface wrote: Fri Oct 24, 2025 5:38 pmThe original saying meant judging solely by its cover after you've read the book.fisherKing wrote: Fri Oct 24, 2025 5:36 pm i believe in the idea of 'don't judge a book by its cover'
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- KVRAF
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I think what would be pretty obvious is that good writers don't always make good graphic designers and why would we expect them to betumface wrote: Fri Oct 24, 2025 5:38 pmJudging a book you haven't yet read by its cover is a great strategy. I sure as heck would not read a book with an AI generated cover. What do you think will be written inside? I mean, that's pretty obvious, right?fisherKing wrote: Fri Oct 24, 2025 5:36 pm i believe in the idea of 'don't judge a book by its cover'
The original saying meant judging solely by its cover after you've read the book.
Just like good sound designers don't always make the best graphic designers and great software developers also don't automatically make for great graphic artists
Also it's silly to not read a book that could be good just because it has an AI cover when you would read one that has a cover made by someone other than the author of the book
What's the difference?
Also thanks for pointing out the original saying, as it hilariously blows up your entire narrative as you are judging a book before you read it based on the cover and making assumptions about it
