Omnisphere 3

[bermudagold]

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[bermudagold]

this is funny to me...u have spent pages arguing the supposed unique value attributes of omnisphere,...but yet question why people would want to use them to their fullest?
you could include them in the mutate function, you could want to use their osc fx on them...until this version you could have wanted to use the fx suite on them,...you could want to do your layering and wavesequencing in a single plug instead of having to create more complicated plugin racks and increased file and preset management...and ur missing the whole point of multisamples which is the extra detail and expressivity they bring over one shots

pcm is far superior sound design tool to all forms of resynthesis, so no one I know is asking for a NEW resynthesis functionality...they're just asking to use the pcm functionality that is already there

I have to say you seem extremely unaware, dare I say ignorant as to what Resynthesis is and does.

Im not ignorant of resynthesis,...I just couldn't disagree more...
1. resynthesis homogenizes a sound...removing the things that make the sample unique and interesting in the first place...the delicate breakup of the transient and the all the psychoacoustic cues in the timbre variances temporally
2. Resynthesis is fundamentally timbre reductive...even the best ones lose tons of timbre information...why would you want to paint with fewer colors and less brushes?
3. Resynthesis imparts a single sonic fingerprint...largely tied to the first 2 points and the same methods they all employ...everything you put in form sonds like form...everything you put in razor sounds like razor...even after overclocking partials...increasing partials increases fidelity in one aspect and diminishes in another...decreasing partials does the same to opposite metrics
even the cutting edge of myth and sumu don't sound demonstrably better than metasynth, chameleon 5000, and virsyn cube from 20 yrs ago

even the developers know this...that's why they have all added pcm modules to their flagships in the last 5 yrs...avenger and synthmaster adding full implementations this year...whenever I ask the kids in my classes what are their favorite patches in whatever the latest monster synth everyone is jerking off to is...their favorite patches are full of pcm layers...turn off the pcm layers what happens?...ur left with bog standard synth sounds u can get a 1000 different places...the controlling variable is the pcm content...algorithmic synthesis is a dime a dozen...all VA sounds relatively the same, all granular sounds relatively the same, and all additive sounds relatively the same (whether the implementation is pure additive, wavetable, or spectral)...ur worship of omnisphere shows this...omnisphere is still king because it comes with 80gb of highly curated expertly applied pcm content...the other flagships come with 5gb or less...the dominance and ubiquity of kontakt, spectrasonics, and output proves this

kvr just has a bias against sampling and idolatry of algorithmic synthesis,...enraptured with finding 1000 different ways to make the same 10 sounds...people are more interested in the journey than the destination...I know that is sacrilege on kvr, but kvr is a niche demographic

Not to mention that every pcm sampler is already a subtractive synth...simply use the sample markers to make the playhead approach self oscillation, turn the filter....voila subtractive synth with infinite waveforms
every pcm sampler is already a wavescanning/wavetable synth, just modulate the sample markers
every pcm sampler is already a granular synth, just make a small loop area and modulate the loop markers in unison
we do these exercises with the kids in class to show just how many sounds they can get out of a stock sampler...and that's not even getting into using FX to mimic cross mod oscillator fx and stringing together samplers in plugin racks

you get a wider and deeper palette of timbres...and more organic, visceral, and evocative resulting sounds
granular is a 3 trick pony...additive is a 2 trick pony...those tricks are fun every once in a while when they come in handy...but in the bigger scheme of things,...Until my ears tell me otherwise, resynthesis is overrated, and high quality interpolation pcm is a superior sound design tool

[IvyBirds]

Isn't everything in the new 'collections' a new patch (Analog Vibes etc)? That's what this menu seems to imply and also it says on the website 'Truly massive new factory collection of 18 stunning libraries of thousands and thousands of super creative and inspiring new sounds from the award-winning Spectrasonics Sound Design team.'

It isn't. I'm pretty sure I've seen some VERY familiar patches there. It's a tag-based system marketed as a bunch of libraries. ...and with afwul AI pics for thumbnails.

This is my largest gripe with the upgrade. They clearly stated in the video "18 new libraries", yet for example all the old nylon and jazz guitar patches are in the supposedly new "Instrument Collection" library. I think I even seen some patches in more than one "library". It's not a library. It's a tag. The marketing video is close to being pretty decieving...

All of the patches from Omnipotent 2 are in the legacy patches and will sound exactly the same as they all use the old effects and filters

All of the patches in the new libraries are new as they use new effects and filters and other new things

Now the confusion arises because they redid the old original patches with the new filters and new effects while leaving the patch names the same

They are however new patches and sound incredible

[FarleyCZ]

I do understand that. But this should have been clearly stated in the advertising.

[quantum7]

Is there a way to ONLY preview the new patches?

Isn't everything in the new 'collections' a new patch (Analog Vibes etc)? That's what this menu seems to imply and also it says on the website 'Truly massive new factory collection of 18 stunning libraries of thousands and thousands of super creative and inspiring new sounds from the award-winning Spectrasonics Sound Design team.'

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No, I see all of my favorite old Omni 2 patches in there. I'm guessing now that all the new stuff is just mixed in with everything. It would have been nice if Eric and his team marked Omni 3 patches only for us.

[quantum7]

I pulled up 7 older projects that I a reworking with Cubase, and all the Omnisphere patches were messed up unfortunately. They all had some strange distorted very fast tremolo effect or something. I had to open a new instance of Omnisphere and copy the previous project presets to the new Omnisphere instance to correct the issue for my projects. Weird!

[IvyBirds]

kvr just has a bias against sampling and idolatry of algorithmic synthesis,...enraptured with finding 1000 different ways to make the same 10 sounds...people are more interested in the journey than the destination...I know that is sacrilege on kvr, but kvr is a niche demographic

My multi terabyte sample library would seem to disagree with your point that I have a bias against sampling. Quite the contrary I have been enjoying sampling since I got a Casio SK1 brand new way back in the 1980s

But for all your bloviating PCM sampling is a one trick pony. It's just a digital recording of an audio file. If you play it back faster it goes up in pitch and if you play it back slower it drops in pitch. Play it back at double speed it's an octave higher play it back at half speed it's an octave lower. Doing that introduces artifacts

So to counter that once memory became affordable we have multi samples so you don't have to stretch or compress them for time and pitch and you can trigger different samples with different velocities.

Anything you do beyond that is no longer related to PCM samples and that is where you seem to have no clue about what resynthesis is and everything you mentioned relating to subtractive and granular or whatever equally applies to using Resynthesized sound sources

But let's break down what your said, maybe you will ACTUALLY learn something that can help your students

resynthesis homogenizes a sound...removing the things that make the sample unique and interesting in the first place...the delicate breakup of the transient and the all the psychoacoustic cues in the timbre variances temporally

Why is that a bad thing? If my goal is accurate playback if a cello I will just use a cello sample, if however I want to do something else I can start stripping away that sample. Much like a sculptor hacks away at a piece of stone to release the figure inside

Resynthesis is fundamentally timbre reductive...even the best ones lose tons of timbre information...why would you want to paint with fewer colors and less brushes?

Again why is that bad? If I have something that is green maybe I want to just use the yellow parts of that green paint and instead of using a wide brush maybe I want to use a smaller one? Have to say you seem to be unaware how basic subtractive synthesis works because why would anyone in your world want to take something with rich harmonics like an analog oscillator and use a filter on it and get less harmonics less color and paint with a smaller brush

Resynthesis imparts a single sonic fingerprint...largely tied to the first 2 points and the same methods they all employ...everything you put in form sounds like form...everything you put in razor sounds like razor...even after overclocking partials...increasing partials increases fidelity in one aspect and diminishes in another...decreasing partials does the same to opposite metrics

And? Everything in a PCM samples sound like what you sampled. Sample a cello the sample will always sound like a cello. It's a rather embarrassing argument you are making here while advocating for PCM sampling

..whenever I ask the kids in my classes what are their favorite patches in whatever the latest monster synth everyone is jerking off to is...their favorite patches are full of pcm layers...turn off the pcm layers what happens

I feel sorry for your students that their teacher is so closed minded and can't see the advantages of all types of synthesis and has such an overwhelming lack of knowledge and artistic vision

ur worship of omnisphere shows this...omnisphere is still king because it comes with 80gb of highly curated expertly applied pcm content...the other flagships come with 5gb or less...the dominance and ubiquity of kontakt, spectrasonics, and output proves this

Only I don't worship Omnisphere. It's just a tool I use. I use many different tools because my artistic vision can only be realized by using multiple tools. I am a big fan of PCM samples, I have those bases covered many times over. Omnisphere has a giant library of PCM sounds I don't need to import other PCM sounds into it

kvr just has a bias against sampling and idolatry of algorithmic synthesis,...enraptured with finding 1000 different ways to make the same 10 sounds...

That's a pretty amazing quote from the guy advocating to turn Omnisphere into Kontact and who wants Multi-sample PCM Import that can be done elsewhere. Why do you need Omnisphere to make the same sounds you can make in Kontact? Or HALion7? Or countless other PCM samplers but I get it you need 1000 different ways to make your cello sample sound like a cello

Not to mention that every pcm sampler is already a subtractive synth...simply use the sample markers to make the playhead approach self oscillation, turn the filter....voila subtractive synth with infinite waveforms
every pcm sampler is already a wavescanning/wavetable synth, just modulate the sample markers
every pcm sampler is already a granular synth, just make a small loop area and modulate the loop markers in unison
we do these exercises with the kids in class to show just how many sounds they can get out of a stock sampler.

You mean stock samples exist so there is no need to reinvent the wheel and have Omnisphere do that?

But beyond that this is where your ignorance really shows and why I feel so sorry for your students and why if they are paying for your services they should get a refund

How are you using Subtractive Synthesis with PCM samples? Wouldn't that be doing everything you just said was wrong? Aren't you removing the things that make the sample unique and interesting in the first place? When you send a sample through an envelope aren't you killing the transients? Isn't the filter removing things from the sample?

And that is where your arguments really falls flat. If I am using Resynthesis as an oscillator I can take my sample full of harmonic and dynamic content and it's related transients and remove some of that. Then I can send that audio through a subtractive engine or a granular engine. Which can be more exciting and offers new timbres over sending the original sample through those things or the usual handful of analog style waveforms

What you see as a rejection of PCM samples, I see as just another use of it

Regarding future developments of Omnisphere I already have really good PCM playback of it's sample library. All I am advocating for is enhancing that with resynthesis. There is no need to turn it on Kontact however

[Dirtgrain]

I'm fixing to educate the hell out of you both, but I have to walk my dog. Maybe when I get back. Let that marinate for a while.

[JasonSpatola]

I'm fixing to educate the hell out of you both, but I have to walk my dog. Maybe when I get back. Let that marinate for a while.

You're better off just spending more time with your dog. These guys aren't gonna stop. They love doing this for some reason.

[bermudagold]

I'm fixing to educate the hell out of you both, but I have to walk my dog. Maybe when I get back. Let that marinate for a while.

You're better off just spending more time with your dog. These guys aren't gonna stop. They love doing this for some reason.

lol..nah I'm not emotionally invested in this at all..and I'm not out here trying to win converts...everyone should do what is best for them and their wallet and most importantly trust their own ears...a rare contrarian view to the hivemind every once in a while is not gonna hurt kvr

[bermudagold]

kvr just has a bias against sampling and idolatry of algorithmic synthesis,...enraptured with finding 1000 different ways to make the same 10 sounds...people are more interested in the journey than the destination...I know that is sacrilege on kvr, but kvr is a niche demographic


 

 

that's the second time you completely misconstrued and misrepresented what I was saying...so we have a fundamental comprehension problem...I'll leave it there...its ok to agree to disagree...FWIW we merely guide experiential learning, we don't teach dogma, and we encourage seeking objectivity...and we do it pro bono so no worries for the underprivileged kids...there are plenty of sound design techniques that can be achieved staying in the pcm domain with higher fidelity richer timbre results...if you like resynthesis that's great...maybe one day I will hear something that will wow me...maybe even from you...until that day I remain agnostic

[swilow11]

Can we make a forum solely for Ivy Birds? I've got him on ignore but he responds so often and is quoted by all the people he hangs crap on that it's really hard to avoid. Really tanks the vibe here. A major reason I just don't use KVR much anymore.

If the ignore function worked, I'd be happy.

[IvyBirds]

Can we make a forum solely for Ivy Birds? I've got him on ignore but he responds so often and is quoted by all the people he hangs crap on that it's really hard to avoid. Really tanks the vibe here. A major reason I just don't use KVR much anymore.

If the ignore function worked, I'd be happy.

Thanks for letting me know you care enough to go off topic and post about me. Your support means so much. You obviously don't want to ignore me or you wouldn't post about me instead of you would ***checks notes*** just ignore me, but obviously you care deeply about me and think about me often, why else would post about me

[DrGonzo]

Really tanks the vibe here.

Let's bring back the vibe and talk about Omni3 again then

What's your ONE favourite about the new version?

As much as I love the effects and the ability to stack things like granular and harmonia, my number 1 thing is the new filters and gain staging. Now Omni sounds really really tight.

[CrystalWizard]

Really tanks the vibe here.

Let's bring back the vibe and talk about Omni3 again then

What's your ONE favourite about the new version?

As much as I love the effects and the ability to stack things like granular and harmonia, my number 1 thing is the new filters and gain staging. Now Omni sounds really really tight.

Is there a link that explains the new filters? once again, i hope some are not emulations but either way i'm curious.