OB-Xf by Surge Synth Team

[felis]

Thank you, so there is no clear winner for you. They all sound like a typical plugin.

That's one way to interpret it.
I meant more that they all have different features and a slightly different sound.
For example, from the little I've tried them, I'd say the ob-xf sem filter sounds closer to Korg's Multipoly than it does to Oberheim's.
I'm also not sure that there's a 'typical plugin' sound when you consider VA, FM, Additive, Granular, and all the other varieties now available.
It seems some people look a gift horse in the mouth.

[mi-os]

I'm talking about VAs, not digital synths. To me typical plugin sound is: lack of presence (flat), richness and organic feel.

[mi-os]

Thank you, so there is no clear winner for you. They all sound like a typical plugin.

It seems some people look a gift horse in the mouth.

In my case it's actually the other way around. I'm looking for reasons to just stick to OB-Xf.

[rasmusklump]

What would be the world without a good amount of bias.
I know everything I need to know when I read words like flat, organic, richness etc

[mi-os]

What would be the world without a good amount of bias.
I know everything I need to know when I read words like flat, organic, richness etc

Or rather, facts. If you can't hear the difference, good for you.

A good example is the CS80. None of the current emulations sound like the original. They are ok for what they are, but don't sound the way the original does.

[seafire]

Every cloud...

[felis]

In my case it's actually the other way around. I'm looking for reasons to just stick to OB-Xf.

My apologies. Internet communication is fraught with misunderstandings.

Bottom line is I think all the OB type stuff I have has different strengths.
And I appreciate them all. I wouldn't like to have only one.

[EvilDragon]

A good example is the CS80. None of the current emulations sound like the original. They are ok for what they are, but don't sound the way the original does.

Do you actually own the original so that you can make that claim? Because with Memorymoon emulation actual owners provided audio to contrast, compare and match up.

And then Softube did a terrific job as they usually do.

Maybe you have a picture of the CS-80 sound in your head that is processed on a recording the certain way. So then, you need to match that recording chain.

[digitalboytn]

Maybe you have a picture of the CS-80 sound in your head that is processed on a recording the certain way. So then, you need to match that recording chain.

This....

[mi-os]

A good example is the CS80. None of the current emulations sound like the original. They are ok for what they are, but don't sound the way the original does.

Do you actually own the original so that you can make that claim? Because with Memorymoon emulation actual owners provided audio to contrast, compare and match up.

And then Softube did a terrific job as they usually do.

Maybe you have a picture of the CS-80 sound in your head that is processed on a recording the certain way. So then, you need to match that recording chain.

You don't need a real CS80, just critical listening. Listen to comparisons (even if they are not ideal) and demos as much as possible and repeat the process several times. If you focus on certain aspects, it will get clear that emulations are not there. Most of them are in the ballpark, for sure, but not hugely satisfying. To me, the thing about the CS80 is not necessarily its base tone or performance capabilites, but also the liveliness of the sound. Nuances are important, at least to me. It's almost comical to think the Memorymoon could be like a CS80, sorry. I'm not arguing that many people are not perfectly happy with what they have, but i also have a right to a different position.

Regarding the Softube. There is a comparison in which it sounds very very off. In contrast, the CS80 and all the other emulations in it are tone wise at least in the same ballpark.

[EvilDragon]

You don't need a real CS80, just critical listening.

You lost me at this sentence sorry. For critical listening the comparison also needs to be critically done correctly, of which there are practically none that exist that were done properly.

The harsh truth is that CS-80 sound is nothing spectacular nor would I call it particularly "lively". It's the performance features that make it stand out. Otherwise it's very, very pedestrian, minus that funky ring modulator.

[mi-os]

You don't need a real CS80, just critical listening.

You lost me at this sentence sorry. For critical listening the comparison also needs to be critically done correctly, of which there are practically none that exist that were done properly.

The harsh truth is that CS-80 sound is nothing spectacular nor would I call it particularly "lively". It's the performance features that make it stand out. Otherwise it's very, very pedestrian, minus that funky ring modulator.

You lost me as well. I could explain why, but won't waste any more time with this. Let's just say, i don't let anyone tell me how i hear these things. It's ridiculous.

[Teksonik]

You don't need a real CS80, just critical listening.

But you do need critical thinking which your position lacks.

The opinions of people who say "it sounds nothing like the hardware" without ever having owned, played, or even been in the same room as the hardware are invalid.

Believe what you wish but don't ever believe that makes your opinion fact.

Let's just say, i don't let anyone tell me how i hear these things. It's ridiculous.

Yet you wish to tell us.....

[Teksonik]

Anyway silly discussions aside, it is expected behavior that the plugin forgets its custom GUI size when closed then re-opened?

[mi-os]

Critical thinking you say? The only way a plugin could actually sound like a CS80 would be a complete circuit simulation. May some day someone finds a way to run something like that on an average computer.