OB-Xf by Surge Synth Team

[mi-os]

This is a silly discussion, no question.

[EvilDragon]

In a wrong thread, too, haha.

[EvilDragon]

Anyway silly discussions aside, it is expected behavior that the plugin forgets its custom GUI size when closed then re-opened?

Hmmm I seem to recall that worked just fine but we can check again. Which host?

[phreaque]

Anyway silly discussions aside, it is expected behavior that the plugin forgets its custom GUI size when closed then re-opened?

The last couple of builds are working without any problem, have you saved your GUI size?

[whassup]

The harsh truth is that CS-80 sound is nothing spectacular nor would I call it particularly "lively". It's the performance features that make it stand out. Otherwise it's very, very pedestrian

Upsi. And I thought that I'm the only non-fanboi with this opinion.

[mabian]

The harsh truth is that CS-80 sound is nothing spectacular nor would I call it particularly "lively". It's the performance features that make it stand out. Otherwise it's very, very pedestrian

Upsi. And I thought that I'm the only non-fanboi with this opinion.

Count me in. I never owned a CS-80, but everything I heard about it makes me think it's great due to performance nuances and additional effects like reverb, delay and so on.

- Mario

[Cuauhtli]

Its performance capabilities are its claim to fame. That's why Vangelis liked it. The poly aftertouch.

I like it for its ring mod. I wish someone would make a hardware version of its ring mod.

[Teksonik]

Critical thinking you say? The only way a plugin could actually sound like a CS80 would be a complete circuit simulation.

And you base that assertion on what? Having never owned or played a CS80? Not having any technical expertise? Or could you just be suffering from cognitive bias? "It's hardware so it must sound better"?

I've lost count of the number of times I've read on this forum "it doesn't sound anything like the hardware" from people who are basing that opinion on some Youtube video or some over processed and engineered album cut.

I've read it so many times I think KVR should change its name to "It Doesn't Sound Anything Like the Hardware.com"

The only way you can say for sure is to run the hardware and the plugin through the exact same signal chain and then get a statistically significant number of people to agree on the results, biases aside.

May some day someone finds a way to run something like that on an average computer.

Yeah maybe some day someone will make a plugin that sounds as crappy as a CS80.

Until then you'll just have to buy a CS80. I saw one on sale for $46,000 but that's the collector's price based on rarity not real world worth from a technical standpoint. If there were as many CS80s still around as there are Ensoniq ESQ-1s the second hand prices would be commensurate.

Anyway sorry for the off topic. I just enjoy messing with members of the "Cult of the Hardware God". Although after 25 years it does get a bit old........

[Teksonik]

Anyway silly discussions aside, it is expected behavior that the plugin forgets its custom GUI size when closed then re-opened?

Hmmm I seem to recall that worked just fine but we can check again. Which host?

FL Studio and I just tried in Wavefrom Pro, same result. Select 150%, close the GUI, reopen, and it goes back to the default size. Two different systems.

The last couple of builds are working without any problem, have you saved your GUI size?

I don't see a way to save the size. Maybe I'm running an outdated version. It could be that I probably just downloaded the .vst3 file rather than the .exe version. Perhaps that's the reason.

[rasmusklump]

You don't need a real CS80, just critical listening.

You lost me at this sentence sorry. For critical listening the comparison also needs to be critically done correctly, of which there are practically none that exist that were done properly.

The harsh truth is that CS-80 sound is nothing spectacular nor would I call it particularly "lively". It's the performance features that make it stand out. Otherwise it's very, very pedestrian, minus that funky ring modulator.

You lost me as well. I could explain why, but won't waste any more time with this. Let's just say, i don't let anyone tell me how i hear these things. It's ridiculous.

Weren't you the one stating that a plugin sounds like a plugin as if it was a fact?

[_leras]

The harsh truth is that CS-80 sound is nothing spectacular nor would I call it particularly "lively". It's the performance features that make it stand out. Otherwise it's very, very pedestrian

Upsi. And I thought that I'm the only non-fanboi with this opinion.

Count me in. I never owned a CS-80, but everything I heard about it makes me think it's great due to performance nuances and additional effects like reverb, delay and so on.

It's not quite that simple. From YouTube it's pretty clear that none of the emulations sound as good as the hardware...

[rasmusklump]

The harsh truth is that CS-80 sound is nothing spectacular nor would I call it particularly "lively". It's the performance features that make it stand out. Otherwise it's very, very pedestrian

Upsi. And I thought that I'm the only non-fanboi with this opinion.

Count me in. I never owned a CS-80, but everything I heard about it makes me think it's great due to performance nuances and additional effects like reverb, delay and so on.

It's not quite that simple. From YouTube it's pretty clear that none of the emulations sound as good as the hardware...

Of course you would say the exact opposite if one of those were from UAD

[newluc]

From youtube… wow…

[mi-os]

I am surprised that some of you claim that one can't analyze the characteristics of a synth using youtube. The real thing would of course be better, but it's still possible with just youtube. I also think many emulations of other synths are very close to the original. So i'm not bashing plugins per se. Some seem to get too defensive on these matters.

There might be a misunderstanding or something have been lost in translation. By critical listening i mean, listening closely and extensively, not just a few minutes. It's not scientific, but good enough. It also helps to have experience with other analog synths.

[D-Fusion]

What matters is that it has a sound that you like.
I have plugins that i liked the sound of more than the similar hardware so i sold My Analog hardware and moved over to plugins and digital HW instead.

I only have 1 unique sounding Analog hardware left and a Emulation for that synth was released a few days ago that is as close to 1:1 you can get to the hardware + it offers more if i want to go outside of what is possible on my hardware unit.

Nostalgia and the view that the older synths are superior to everything we have today is just a stupid fairytale to keep the hype up.
Modern digital HW synths and plugins are miles ahead of the limited out of tune analog crap from the past.