Adam Szabo - AIRWAVE Out Now! (JP-8080 VST)

[ffx]

- He tries to play the same sounds, but when you look at the devices the envelope settings are totally different. Would that mean that you have to dial in Airwave in a completely different way than a JP8080 while this is an emulation?

What the heck, did you realize that the left part is showing the hardware where the knobs DO NOT CHANGE at all? It's not motorized, you know...

Sadly no macOS version

[Dark Fiber]

- He tries to play the same sounds, but when you look at the devices the envelope settings are totally different. Would that mean that you have to dial in Airwave in a completely different way than a JP8080 while this is an emulation?

What the heck, did you realize that the left part is showing the hardware where the knobs DO NOT CHANGE at all? It's not motorized, you know...

Apart from that. LISTEN to the examples starting at 0:34 and 3:30.

[ffx]

Apart from that. LISTEN to the examples starting at 0:34 and 3:30.

Well, some parameters in the software seem to have some kind of interpolation, which seems to be a bit slower than the original? Though I find the sound of the software actually better sounding, more consistent. Wouldn't care for such details. Presets sound very similar still, similar enough for me.

Filter seems to be a bit quicker resonant on the software, too. Maybe it's just the transfer curve of the resonance, which needs to be adjusted a bit.

Can you show me the problem you have with a single preset?

[BONES]

But it's a comparison video. You would assume same settings when comparing an emulation to the real device, and as a result the same sound. Both are off; difference in settings, difference in sound.

WHO f**king CARES!?! All that matters is if it sounds good or not. Nobody who listens to anything you make with it will have the first clue what it is or how you made it.

Mac users will have options in due course...

What is meant by this???

I assume he's talking about the open source thing that has been mentioned here previously. The thread for it is near the top of the Instruments forum.

JE-8086 will be superior as it's the actual JP8K minus any AD/DA from the hardware.

How do you figure that? Given the additions Adam has made, I'd suggest a slavish copy will be measurably inferior.

Out of curiosity are there no emulations for this previously? Diva or something?

Divas does analogue, the JP8080 was digital.

Anyway, I've bought this without even listening to the video. Don't need to, I know how good Adam is and 69 euros is stupidly cheap for the quality I know he will have given this. I love JP6k, it is my second most used VSTi, so this is a total no-brainer.

[adamszabo]

YEAAAAAAAAAAAH! But sadly no intro price or bundle price (got all his vsts) = 69 Euros
but it is Adam, so I guess will buy it anyways!

Thank you for the post, I was going to do it myself but fell asleep right after the release, I hardly had any rest for the last few days and was utterly exhausted.

The 69 is the intro price...and will remain so indefinitely I think its a pretty good deal for what it can do, and now that version 1.0 is out, it can continue to grow with more features all for free of course

Yeess. I've been waiting for this. It sounds great. Uses almost no CPU on my Ryzen 7. Who is 'DC'? Their FnlContact patch is glorious.

One thing. I would love it if he allowed to click the parameters instead of having to click through them with a single button. If OSC1 waveform is Triangle Mod, and I want to select Super Saw, I have to click the waveform button 6 times. That really gets old fast.

Also a bug: When you load a new bank it won't play anything until you select a new preset.

DC is Daniel Craighead, its also written in the "About..." section from the main menu. Yes thanks for the suggestion, I thought about that too, in the next update (after my rest) I will make it so that you can click on the oscillator names directly instead of having to cycle though it with the button. And thanks for the bug report, ill look into it.

That comparison video is really awful, feels rushed as hell.
- He tries to play the same sounds, but when you look at the devices the envelope settings are totally different. Would that mean that you have to dial in Airwave in a completely different way than a JP8080 while this is an emulation?
- Check the sound of the envelopes at 0:34, it's much snappier on the JP8080
- Check the timing of the notes at 3:20, it's not quantized on the JP8080

This really saves me spending 70 EUR. Hope to see a better comparison video in the future, then i'll reconsider.

Ok I presume you never ever touched a JP-8080 before, so let me explain to you. When you select a preset in the JP, the physical knobs and parameters dont automatically move to their position, just like 99.999% of every other synth in the world. To move every parameter to match its internal values just for cosmetics would be ridiculous. I hope you can give me some slack for not doing it.

About the video, sure I can make you a 1 hour long video with comparisons but no one will watch that and you know it too. The point of that comparison is to show it relatively quickly, straight to the point, no bullsh*tting around. I simply opened the JP8080 factory bank in Airwave and played the sounds side by side. No one has does this before that you can open a JP8080 bank made for the hardware, and directly open it in software and produces the VERY similar sound, so see it as a glass half full rather than half empty. This is still version 1.0.0 so there is always room for improvement, and if anything sounds off it can be better.

From the other I can see Adam picking a classic non-DSP56300 VA synth to emulate when Viper was finished, only to down the road see the JP8080 emulator announcement and see history repeating. Probably, depending on in which stage this was at the time, also being pressured to release before it just to limit the risk of losing revenue potential.

Yes now that Airwave is done its time to talk about the elephant in the room. As you all know, I was highly obsessed with the Super Saw, I wrote that paper on it, and made it in JP6K. At the time I didnt have the hardware, I only recorded lots of waves from friends and did the analysis from that. Then while working on Viper, I managed to get a JP-8080 and I decided that eventually I want to make a proper JP plugin and I will do it right this time, to emulate the whole thing. So I started working on it in 2022. The only way I know how is to look at the waveform the JP produces and come up with code that does the same thing. Its like completing a puzzle in complete darkness. You can imagine how difficult that is. Anyway, I was almost done, and the announcement about that free plugin comes out. Well f*ck me. So the only option was to continue, but I had to condense half a years of work into a few months to get it out ASAP, so I hope people can forgive me that the sound comparison at 0 point whatever second its not microscopically accurate down to the last atom

My next project was going to be the Yamaha AN1X, but now that this french (i think) guy joined their team who can reverse engineer anything with a microscope, I bet you right now that they will do it. They will do anything that has a chip in it which needs firmware. So I will stay the hell away from any synth like that from now on. I will only consider something Analog that has no firmware.

[adamszabo]

JE-8086 will be superior as it's the actual JP8K minus any AD/DA from the hardware.

How do you figure that? Given the additions Adam has made, I'd suggest a slavish copy will be measurably inferior.

Dont worry about him, I learned to ignore him by now. I have no idea who he is, ive never done anything to him, but all his post are demeaning towards me, downplays my work and efforts in every topic. I dont know if I caused his mom cancer or what I did but whatever, I couldn't care less, everyone has a right for their opinion. I am proud of what I achieved and no one can take that away from me.

[Dark Fiber]

But it's a comparison video. You would assume same settings when comparing an emulation to the real device, and as a result the same sound. Both are off; difference in settings, difference in sound.

WHO f**king CARES!?!

I do, considering this is an emulation. There are tons of synths out there that sound good. Failing to see your point.

[BONES]

I do, considering this is an emulation. There are tons of synths out there that sound good. Failing to see your point.

Wrong answer! The correct answer is "someone who has no idea what they are talking about." I say that because you were dumb enough to expect the hardware controls to be in the correct position for each patch. I mean, seriously, how ducking fumb is that!?!

[Dark Fiber]

That comparison video is really awful, feels rushed as hell.
- He tries to play the same sounds, but when you look at the devices the envelope settings are totally different. Would that mean that you have to dial in Airwave in a completely different way than a JP8080 while this is an emulation?
- Check the sound of the envelopes at 0:34, it's much snappier on the JP8080
- Check the timing of the notes at 3:20, it's not quantized on the JP8080

This really saves me spending 70 EUR. Hope to see a better comparison video in the future, then i'll reconsider.

Ok I presume you never ever touched a JP-8080 before, so let me explain to you. When you select a preset in the JP, the physical knobs and parameters dont automatically move to their position, just like 99.999% of every other synth in the world. To move every parameter to match its internal values just for cosmetics would be ridiculous. I hope you can give me some slack for not doing it.

About the video, sure I can make you a 1 hour long video with comparisons but no one will watch that and you know it too. The point of that comparison is to show it relatively quickly, straight to the point, no bullsh*tting around. I simply opened the JP8080 factory bank in Airwave and played the sounds side by side. No one has does this before that you can open a JP8080 bank made for the hardware, and directly open it in software and produces the VERY similar sound, so see it as a glass half full rather than half empty. This is still version 1.0.0 so there is always room for improvement, and if anything sounds off it can be better.

Anyway, I was almost done, and the announcement about that free plugin comes out. Well f*ck me. So the only option was to continue, but I had to condense half a years of work into a few months to get it out ASAP, so I hope people can forgive me that the sound comparison at 0 point whatever second its not microscopically accurate down to the last atom

Thanks for elaborating, Adam.

I was under the false impression that the knobs would be in the right position and reacted too soon. My apologies.

Exactly as I've expected you had to rush a little. I just found it strange that the two examples i've mentioned earlier were put in the comparison video. It's not a critique on your plugin, but just my opinion on the video.

I'm a long time JP6K user and think you did a terrific job on that. I'll demo Airwave when I have time.

[Chris-S]

Velocity control doesn't seem to be working for me in any of the mono modes (demo version).

I can confirm, in Mono mode it's working in a very strange way.

[Gam456]

Divas does analogue, the JP8080 was digital.

Diva does digital osc and digital enveloppe

[BONES]

Really, from which synths?

[Chris-S]

digital/analog envelope can mean anything.
In Airwave the button EnvMode is determining initial env level (zero reset).

[vmood]

My next project was going to be the Yamaha AN1X, but....

Please, pretty please do go on with that project!

[_leras]

Nice work! This thing sounds great.

Can't wait to give ita workout!