NEW LOOP RECORDING 1/14/04
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- KVRAF
- 2582 posts since 24 Apr, 2003 from Canada
Thanks for the reply Beno. Maybe we can convince Jules to 'fancy-up' midi loop recording after T2
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SuitcaseOfLizards SuitcaseOfLizards https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=2363 - KVRAF
- 10879 posts since 3 Apr, 2002 from Austin, TX USA
Bah, they implemented that instead of the pants tool!LBN wrote:CUPHOLDERS! I knew it!Beno wrote:Of the few key features we are anouncing in these teasers, there are many, many, more small ones straight from you all on KVR in the T2 release.
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- AcousticHippie
- 4769 posts since 12 Mar, 2003
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
Disclaimer: The following only represents a personal perspective, and in no way is meant to say that it's the only way of looking at things-->
I don't see the point of MIDI "track folders". The wonderful thing about MIDI compared to audio is that you can already precisely place the notes where you want them. So rather than loop-record into "folder tracks", if I wanted control THAT badly, I'd just program the MIDI in step-sequence or piano-roll.
Now, assuming I DID want to loop and record a few times.. even though they're merged into a clip with the other stuff, isn't it still (unlike audio) a simple matter to pick and choose which MIDI notes you want in there? So instead of choosing which passages get merged, you work the opposite way-- merge it all and then use the eraser tool to get rid of the naff notes.
<shrug>
Disclaimer 2: I hardly ever use MIDI
I don't see the point of MIDI "track folders". The wonderful thing about MIDI compared to audio is that you can already precisely place the notes where you want them. So rather than loop-record into "folder tracks", if I wanted control THAT badly, I'd just program the MIDI in step-sequence or piano-roll.
Now, assuming I DID want to loop and record a few times.. even though they're merged into a clip with the other stuff, isn't it still (unlike audio) a simple matter to pick and choose which MIDI notes you want in there? So instead of choosing which passages get merged, you work the opposite way-- merge it all and then use the eraser tool to get rid of the naff notes.
<shrug>
Disclaimer 2: I hardly ever use MIDI
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- KVRAF
- 3364 posts since 16 Feb, 2004 from atop a katamari
i can perfectly see the point in separating the takes in a looped midi recording.
here's the most important example for me:
yes, i could program in the notes exactly as i wanted them; sadly though, that tends to remove the 'feel' of a live performance of a piece, which i'm sure everyone can relate to, and adding that feel by moving around notes can be quite a task.
So i want to loop record a MIDI part (playing live on my keyboard), to get the 'feel' for the notes.
the part i'm playing is roughly the same each time, but my playing skills aren't awesome or anything, so i'd like to have a few bashes.
having the notes automatically merge, rather than store each pass as a separate clip means that all these very similar notes appear in roughly the same place.
the problem, then, is - which of these notes DO you delete? there are now multiple almost the same but not quite notes overlapping for pretty much every single note in the clip; this is not something that can be easily addressed.
if you're loop recording an audio part, say a guitar solo or a vocal line, you're (in most cases excluding adlib runs) effectively repeating the part to get the 'best' and most appropriate one.. you don't want all the takes dubbing over each other do you?
i can certainly see the merits of the automerging nature, if you wanted to do one bit at a time per pass, but for standard loop recording tasks, i just don't feel it's appropriate. i always have to stop it when it gets back to the beginning because of this.
woah! sorry! :S loads there!
here's the most important example for me:
yes, i could program in the notes exactly as i wanted them; sadly though, that tends to remove the 'feel' of a live performance of a piece, which i'm sure everyone can relate to, and adding that feel by moving around notes can be quite a task.
So i want to loop record a MIDI part (playing live on my keyboard), to get the 'feel' for the notes.
the part i'm playing is roughly the same each time, but my playing skills aren't awesome or anything, so i'd like to have a few bashes.
having the notes automatically merge, rather than store each pass as a separate clip means that all these very similar notes appear in roughly the same place.
the problem, then, is - which of these notes DO you delete? there are now multiple almost the same but not quite notes overlapping for pretty much every single note in the clip; this is not something that can be easily addressed.
if you're loop recording an audio part, say a guitar solo or a vocal line, you're (in most cases excluding adlib runs) effectively repeating the part to get the 'best' and most appropriate one.. you don't want all the takes dubbing over each other do you?
i can certainly see the merits of the automerging nature, if you wanted to do one bit at a time per pass, but for standard loop recording tasks, i just don't feel it's appropriate. i always have to stop it when it gets back to the beginning because of this.
woah! sorry! :S loads there!
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- KVRAF
- 2582 posts since 24 Apr, 2003 from Canada
I don't see how this is feasible: you record three totally different solos over top of one another, and then you're supposed to go in and figure out which notes belong to which solo? Some notes will be completely overlapping, pitch bends/modwheel canceling each other out etc. Thats just a mess from a workflow and user interface point of view.Lunch Money wrote:I don't see the point of MIDI "track folders". The wonderful thing about MIDI compared to audio is that you can already precisely place the notes where you want them. So rather than loop-record into "folder tracks", if I wanted control THAT badly, I'd just program the MIDI in step-sequence or piano-roll.
Now, assuming I DID want to loop and record a few times.. even though they're merged into a clip with the other stuff, isn't it still (unlike audio) a simple matter to pick and choose which MIDI notes you want in there? So instead of choosing which passages get merged, you work the opposite way-- merge it all and then use the eraser tool to get rid of the naff notes.
And as for just programming in the piano-roll to begin with: the whole point is solos are improvised - and I myself can't really solo with the piano roll.
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- KVRist
- 250 posts since 15 Jul, 2002
Forget all that other stuff, I'm just excited about legitimate multi-track recording!
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- KVRist
- 112 posts since 14 Jun, 2004 from Richland, WA
Yeah, MIDI loop recording in the sense of comping is just as necessary as audio loop recording, I think. I almost always improvise when working on parts for a song, so it's not just the guitar solo or vocal tracks, but any part that can benefit from that. It's not always a question of getting something specific perfect by recording several takes of it, but sometimes it's choosing pieces from several different takes to make the one "track", and that could mean the VST Synth background part just as well as the guitar lead.
I'm still not sure if there's much point for me shelling out any more bucks for T2 when I've got Sonar 4, but T2 is shaping up to be an excellent upgrade, especially with several more new features soon to be revealed, so regardless I know I'll keep recommending it to people looking for an affordable sequencer. Assuming it's still affordable!
I'm still not sure if there's much point for me shelling out any more bucks for T2 when I've got Sonar 4, but T2 is shaping up to be an excellent upgrade, especially with several more new features soon to be revealed, so regardless I know I'll keep recommending it to people looking for an affordable sequencer. Assuming it's still affordable!
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- KVRAF
- 10815 posts since 26 Nov, 2004 from UK
u no i never thought of it but if u could do the same with midi that would be deeeeeep
wonder how simple it is
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wonder how simple it is
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- KVRAF
- 16154 posts since 2 Dec, 2003 from Nashville, TN
Beno, can you please just tell us that the sampler got an overhaul. That's really the only other thing I want. I'll buy regardless, but it really would make things better if there was an internal sampler. I'm already content with T1, and well satisfied with what's been added.
But if at all possible, can we know about the sampler situation? Thanks a bunch!
Koolkeys
But if at all possible, can we know about the sampler situation? Thanks a bunch!
Koolkeys
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 6490 posts since 14 Jun, 2004 from Rochester, NY
So this means the teasers are drawing near to an end?Beno wrote:Of the few key features we are anouncing in these teasers, there are many, many, more small ones straight from you all on KVR in the T2 release.
RonC