Adam Szabo - AIRWAVE Out Now! (JP-8080 VST)

[skarvika]

Looks like someone did a short comparison between Airwave, Jup-8000, and JE-8086.

I do think Airwave sounds pretty spot on with JE-8086 more so than Jup-8000, and I do think it has a great GUI.

JE-8086 sounds is full, clear and has the JP-8000's characteristic digital sharpness. For me it's the best one. The JUP-8000V lacks the brightness of the JE-8086 but otherwise gets it right. Airwave has a lot in the mids and sounds more subdued as a result. They all generally get the tone right, and you could probably get them all to sound closer to each other with EQ but as-is, the JE-8086 sounds the most exciting and is the only one to get the filter completely right.

[Touch The Universe]

Absolutely love viper, maybe even more than the original, thrilled to see anything from adam. Congrats on the release.

Will be checking it time permitting.

Hope you take a lot of rest to enjoy the moment and its worthwhile for you.

I'd personally love to a vsynth gt vt - what they did with those vocals presets are quite unique, one in particular i hear in all the goa,psy, chillout tracks.

[Caine123]

Looks like someone did a short comparison between Airwave, Jup-8000, and JE-8086.

I do think Airwave sounds pretty spot on with JE-8086 more so than Jup-8000, and I do think it has a great GUI.

JE-8086 sounds is full, clear and has the JP-8000's characteristic digital sharpness. For me it's the best one. The JUP-8000V lacks the brightness of the JE-8086 but otherwise gets it right. Airwave has a lot in the mids and sounds more subdued as a result. They all generally get the tone right, and you could probably get them all to sound closer to each other with EQ but as-is, the JE-8086 sounds the most exciting and is the only one to get the filter completely right.

very interesting! Maybe Adam can still finetune and adjust the sound if true.
It seems the JE-8086 it more CPU hungry, would be interesting to see how many instances you can do with it vs. Airwave.

[Touch The Universe]

Looks like someone did a short comparison between Airwave, Jup-8000, and JE-8086.

I do think Airwave sounds pretty spot on with JE-8086 more so than Jup-8000, and I do think it has a great GUI.

JE-8086 sounds is full, clear and has the JP-8000's characteristic digital sharpness. For me it's the best one. The JUP-8000V lacks the brightness of the JE-8086 but otherwise gets it right. Airwave has a lot in the mids and sounds more subdued as a result. They all generally get the tone right, and you could probably get them all to sound closer to each other with EQ but as-is, the JE-8086 sounds the most exciting and is the only one to get the filter completely right.

The video is not a one-to-one comparison, the filter cut off was low on The Usual Suspects one, but that was sounding pretty good I would like to see the same treatment with Adams. Is The Usual Suspects one out too? Where is that

[Super Piano Hater 64]

Nope, they use a huge amount in a separate thread. Not visible to DAW by default.

Not the case here.

Logic cannot see or measure the background threads OsTirus uses. Change the plugin's "Latency (blocks)" setting to 0 (in the right click menu) and watch the meters dance.

[djanthonyw]

Nope, they use a huge amount in a separate thread. Not visible to DAW by default.

Not the case here.

Logic cannot see or measure the background threads OsTirus uses. Change the plugin's "Latency (blocks)" setting to 0 (in the right click menu) and watch the meters dance.

I showed activity monitor in the screenshot as well which displays accurate system-wide CPU usage. It corresponds to what Logic's CPU meters display. If you reduce latency for any plugin, the CPU usage is going to increase.

[Super Piano Hater 64]

I showed activity monitor in the screenshot as well which displays accurate system-wide CPU usage

...Summed across all cores, but the DSP emulator's workload is not distributed across all cores (because it can't be, because that's not how the Virus worked in the first place). And one thing Activity Monitor doesn't bother to tell you is that in realtime usage, the hottest core is the weakest link.

The way TUS's framework uses background threads is a well documented blind spot for performance monitoring. It has been discussed over and over and over and over in relevant threads. The UI itself warns you about it in multiple places.

I will say no more on the subject.

[BONES]

Full Bucket’s Nabla probably.
https://www.fullbucket.de/music/nabla.html

Oh, I'd forgotten about Nabla. From the demo it doesn't sound much as I remember my Delta but it might be OK. I like Mono/Fury, even though it doesn't sound like my Mono/Poly did, either. Thanks for the link.

Airwave feels egregiously thin to me. Reminds me of the days when Vanguard and Sylenth were the VSTs to beat. How spoiled we are for choice now. May be a matter of taste, but I'll stick with the JP6K, which is phenomenal.

Really? Have you listened to all the presets? There are some ridiculously huge sounds in there. Admittedly, a lot of the early presets sound quite naff but there is ample evidence in the factory patches that it's capable of blowing JP6K out of the water. That said, it's hard to beat JP6K's simplicity and JP6K's factory presets have a lot more impressive and usable sounds. What JP6K lacks, though, is a broad range - it does a few things really well but it has only a fraction of the versatility of Airwave.

JE-8086 sounds is full, clear and has the JP-8000's characteristic digital sharpness. For me it's the best one.

To me they all sound so close to each other that the sound wouldn't be a determining factor as to which one I bought. Any differences you heard I think are likely down to confirmation bias rather than actual reality. No, they didn't sound exactly the same but without a real JP to compare to, it's impossible to know which sounds closest (if that's even important). Things like layout/usability and price would be far more important to me when the sound is so close that nobody would be able to tell which it was in a mix. It was also hard to keep the first one in your head by the time you got to the third one, the phrases were too long. It needs to be just a couple of bars that you can loop back from the third to the first one.

Remember, too, that there is more to a hardware synth than the DSP chip in it. The physical signal path - DAC and so on - will also affect the sound so simply recreating the DSP inside the hardware won't necessarily give you the right output sound. e.g. Maybe the brightness you hear in JE 8086 is wrong and the hardware had a "dull" DAC that the JUV 8000 gets absolutely spot on? After all, it was the 1980s and DACs weren't anything anyone really thought about, except maybe at the audiophile end of CD players.

[Touch The Universe]

Isn't the point of recreating HW to actually manufactor everything include those "hardware" centric things like dac or whatever. Can't that be recreated too?

[djanthonyw]

Isn't the point of recreating HW to actually manufactor everything include those "hardware" centric things like dac or whatever. Can't that be recreated too?

Green AD is very good for this.

https://www.threebodytech.com/en/products/deepvintage

[Touch The Universe]

Isn't the point of recreating HW to actually manufactor everything include those "hardware" centric things like dac or whatever. Can't that be recreated too?

Green AD is very good for this.

https://www.threebodytech.com/en/products/deepvintage

You see, you see

[BONES]

No, actually, I don't. I think it's mostly bullshit, people exploiting gullible idiots.

[omac]

White Sea Studio reviewed three body technology's deep vintage
youtube.com/watch?v=l33TBMbz79k
verdict - This is not it yet

--didn't want to embed video--

[djanthonyw]

White Sea Studio reviewed three body technology's deep vintage
youtube.com/watch?v=l33TBMbz79k
verdict - This is not it yet

--didn't want to embed video--

He “reviewed” one single plugin. The one I was also least impressed by and not the one I mentioned above.

[omac]

While he is imo amusing, he backs up his banter with actual signal analysis. I just did a search on their deep vintage product since that was what was mentioned in this thread. My takeaway from the review of that single plugin is it cast doubt on the assertion that you can exactly emulate hardware. To me this is not relevant to this thread though, as the JP-8080 is a digital synth being recreated in software. I will stop derailing this topic now.