Sononym sample management/browser

[kraster]

This is a fantastic update. So much faster than the previous version.

[qtheerearranger]

just gonna say it... this product is amazing at this point - anyone who deals with making a lot of new samples a lot will absolutely love this.

But im a bit worried as this is exactly what logic pro is missing - wouldn't be slightly surprised if apple buys them and we see this in logic eventually. this seems like the exact type of thing apple would buy. but u know i live with the tin foil hat always on

[kinkajou]

As much as i love that there's such a nice update i have to admit that the new version completely destroyed my Sononym library.
So reverted back to v1.5.6 and waiting for support to answer.
MAC OS Sonoma here

[enCiphered]

Yeah same here. This is a great update but I have to upgrade every single library, which already takes hours despite the program claiming no proper database or version was in use.
I´ve had the latest version installed on my pc

[Andrei Marchenko]

Got some interesting issue in the mac os launchpad (Sequoia):

[danoise]

Got some interesting issue in the mac os launchpad (Sequoia):

Urgh..what is THAT?
I guess we need to revisit the icon.

[ffx]

Agreed, very nice update, thanks.

EDIT: Ah yes, "Failed to upgrade the library - unexpected error type"

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2025-11-26T20:18:08.806Z - error: [RENDERER] Library failed to mount: Failed to upgrade the library:Unexpected error type (/Users/ffx/sample libraries/sononym.db)

[danoise]

As much as i love that there's such a nice update i have to admit that the new version completely destroyed my Sononym library.
So reverted back to v1.5.6 and waiting for support to answer.
MAC OS Sonoma here

It's being looked into.
For good measure, here are direct links to the previous installers:

https://sononym.net/download/Sononym-1.5.6-arm64.dmg
https://sononym.net/download/Sononym-1.5.6.dmg
https://sononym.net/download/Sononym-1.5.6.exe
https://sononym.net/download/sononym-1.5.6.tar.bz2

On macOS, having multiple versions installed side-by-side is as simple as renaming the application, as they maintain separate configuration files.

[anoise]

Looks like there is something wrong with the scanning. It just wrote 500GB on the SSD while scanning ~70GB. It rewrites the sononym.db constantly? Before starting the scan, the total writes on the SSD was 3TB (accumulated in 2 years) now it's 3.5TB after scanning 70%. Thanks, I guess. As soon as I observed this, I closed Sononym and it was still not finished with the scan after 2 hours. I won't open it again until a fix is released...
The scanning was from 0. Deleted the old databases beforehand.

[Digivolt]

I guess I'll hold off on opening it until a fix is out

[bnz]

Not sure if that has been an issue before (never noticed it), but Dropbox seems to block the sononym database file. It seems Dropbox must have finished uploading the sononym databases before the converted ones work properly again in Sononym (after restart).

[playtimer]

Same error here - "Failed to upgrade the library - unexpected error type".
Can't use Sononym now at all. And the scanning my whole library again would take forever.

Please advise, thanks.

[danoise]

Looks like there is something wrong with the scanning. It just wrote 500GB on the SSD while scanning ~70GB. It rewrites the sononym.db constantly?

When analyzing samples, the data is first dumped in a raw format, which is then consumed by the database when it's not too busy with other things. So yeah, technically the data is written to disk twice. But 500GB written for 70GB - that does sound drastic.

A little unscientific test I did revealed an approximate 1:1 ratio between the size of the samples, and the size of the data being written to disk. This is in line with what I would expect, and acceptable IMHO.

Btw: to reduce the disk activity, there are some possibilities that we haven't explored yet. Most importantly, to insert samples in bulk. We haven't chased this goal yet, as our focus was to improve the user experience (speed!!).

[danoise]

Not sure if that has been an issue before (never noticed it), but Dropbox seems to block the sononym database file. It seems Dropbox must have finished uploading the sononym databases before the converted ones work properly again in Sononym (after restart).

There's some info in the release notes:

New Engine, New Requirements
The new database is optimized for modern hardware, and has some requirements that the previous one didn’t have. Perhaps most importantly, an exclusive lock is required to modify the database. If your file-system (e.g. a NAS or cloud folder) does not have this ability, the application should inform you that the library was opened in read-only mode.
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So, it's kind of expected that such a thing could happen. The idea is to handle these situations gracefully, and offer some kind of solution. In this particular case, what error message did you see?

Also, I wonder if right-clicking the library and choosing "Use Local Drive For Collected Data" does the trick? Doing this should take your 'sononym.db' out of the dropbox folder.

[IvyBirds]

Nice, one more thing I gotta pick up, sigh.

Yeah it's awesome