Softube CS-80 ? - Model 77 Dual Layer Synth

[BONES]

Excellent analogy, how much use is there in bending individual strings on a guitar? It's something you pretty much never hear on a record, certainly nothing that I ever listen to, and that's basically what MPE is. Pianos have managed for a few centuries without it. And remember, I've had around a dozen MPE controllers, I probably know a bit more about how actually useful it is than you do. I like a lot of what those controllers can do but the actual MPE side of it is not something I've ever found a need for, nor is it something you see in the vast majority of demo videos of MPE controllers.

[Echoes in the Attic]

Excellent analogy, how much use is there in bending individual strings on a guitar? It's something you pretty much never hear…

Spoken like someone who has never played guitar. Or listened to much of it.

[BONES]

I'm reasonably sure I own more guitar music than you do and I've certainly seen more people on stage playing guitars than you have.

[Echoes in the Attic]

I'm reasonably sure I own more guitar music than you do and I've certainly seen more people on stage playing guitars than you have.

Well that settles it then. If I had known you owned more guitar music I never would have pushed back in that manner. Especially if I had known that you had also seen more people on stage playing guitars! I once heard about a guy playing a live guitar in my village but I was busy maintaining the hearth fire and delousing the bedding and garments that night. So I missed it.

[revvy]

Excellent analogy, how much use is there in bending individual strings on a guitar? It's something you pretty much never hear…

Spoken like someone who has never played guitar. Or listened to much of it.

Surely the fact that his post was clearly horseshit coupled with the fact that he added ‘…’ shows you that he’s just ‘being bones’ (TM)?

The dude actively disparages musicianship.

Ain’t nothing worth debatin’. ( hey, I like that as a lyric, gonna use it).

[rasmusklump]

So now ... is a problem as well?

[revvy]

No, it’s a literary device, not a problem. Like adding a smiley or an exclamation mark. It’s a choice with a meaning…

Nobody claimed it was a problem did they.

On topic; maybe I’ll buy the 77, maybe not, but had to unsubscribe from their mailings. Man, so many emails.

[D-Fusion]

Which original? Every individual unit sounds different, it's part of what we love about the classic analogue sound. I'd also point out that the comparison videos I've watched on YouTube all say that Model 77 is the closest of all the emulations. Furthermore, if Arturia got this one closer than anyone else, it would be the first time for those guys, especially for any of their older VSTi.

There might be some tiny differences between The same Hardware Synth 1 and 2 but they are not so big that it makes them sound like a different synth
The Softube fans say the same about Model 72 being the best Model D Emulation which i don't agree with at all.

[ffx]

WTF are "VST expressions"?

Why aren't you simply shut up, in case you don't even know what's the topic is? I don't get it, you seem to seek for dissension. Maybe first think, THEN write? Your posts read mostly annoying here and are lowering the quality of the discussion.

I also simply asked a valid question and got indeed "horseshit" back from you. What's your problem? Do some boxing sports or whatever...

[CinningBao]

I'm reasonably sure I own more guitar music than you do and I've certainly seen more people on stage playing guitars than you have.

My goodness man, calm down. Why say these things when you don't know anyone here? These words aren't useful in the context of the discussion despite what you might think.

[zerocrossing]

I'm reasonably sure I own more guitar music than you do and I've certainly seen more people on stage playing guitars than you have.

Right, but you left out the part where you have no idea what you're talking about on pretty much every topic. Bending a single note of a chord or two note interval to create a new chord or interval is very common. It's ubiquitous in orchestral and choral music. You're like the grain of sand that starts a pearl, but instead of pearl, it's vomit.

[Aloysius]

Here’s an angry, unhinged, but mysterious version — like someone delivering an ominous monologue while pacing in candlelight:

Right, but you seem to have quietly stepped around the part where you speak with absolute confidence yet possess knowledge that evaporates the moment anyone looks directly at it. It’s almost impressive, in a haunting sort of way — like watching someone give a lecture on a subject they learned about in a dream and immediately forgot upon waking.

Bending a single note within a chord or interval to summon a new harmony… it isn’t rare. It isn’t hidden. It’s everywhere, woven into orchestras and choirs like a spell cast so frequently no one even notices anymore. But somehow it remains invisible to you, as if there’s a veil over your understanding that only grows thicker the more you insist you see clearly.

And you… you remind me of a grain of sand, yes — the kind that legends say becomes a pearl under pressure. Yet in your case, something strange happened. Something went sideways. And instead of a pearl, what forms around you is… something else. Something vaguely biological, vaguely chaotic — a sort of alchemical accident that resembles vomit more than treasure.

A curious transformation. A little unsettling. But fitting, in its way.

[BONES]

The dude actively disparages musicianship.

Musicianship is a waste of time, a snobbish wank for insecure people. But it's beside the point, you still can't find more than one or two Youtube videos where someone is actually using an MPE controller to do MPE.

Look at this, for example - all his per-note vibrato is being done with his right hand, so a keyboard split would be a far more effective way of achieving that - two instances of the instrument being played by the same controller, or two separate controllers, no MPE required.


I've said this before but I think people who think MPE is great aren't natural synth players, they're not used to using the Mod and Pitch-Bend wheels to add expression to their playing. I like having the freedom to do that stuff with one hand now but sometimes the Mod Wheel still feels like the right way to do things.

[revvy]

Bollocks

[Tj Shredder]

I've said this before but I think people who think MPE is great aren't natural synth players, they're not used to using the Mod and Pitch-Bend wheels to add expression to their playing. I like having the freedom to do that stuff with one hand now but sometimes the Mod Wheel still feels like the right way to do things.

I’ve said that before, you mix up keyboard player with synth player. You developed your keyboard skills to play expressiveness through just mod and pitch wheels. But never bothered to learn a different controller by heart. You can’t distinguish between a pre programmed vibrato and a played vibrato. That alone would be a reason to get into MPE…
Keyboard and piano are very different to a Linnstrument for example. I consider even Osmose or a Seaboard a bad compromise for keyboard players. At least with those controllers you can play a real vibrato.
I certainly have more fun with my MPE controllers than I could have with any keyboard switches…
Listen to some Indian music played on non keyboard controllers, they show things you simply can’t do with a keyboard…
I know its a very different world than Novakill…