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DerKastellan wrote: Thu Dec 11, 2025 1:45 pm Actually I was making, in general, the point that CPU is wasted to no gain in the single plugin version.
Yes, I know - I absolutely hear you on this. But even without comparing the individual amps to the suite it's super-obvious* that whoever coded these didn't give the first damn about cpu-consumption, which is why there is absolutely no reason to assume that the plugins were optimised in any way.**

To me they also do not sound or feel superior in the slightest compared to other amp-sims which use a third or less CPU than these.



*Bypassing, filters, the gate and other stuff has no influence on the CPU usage at all and the same even goes for turning room to zero and setting the cabinet section to "direct", which is not something users would typically tolerate if it was a mistake made by the first paid product of some small vendor. But if UAD release something in that poor state and people notice the high CPU consumption they merely rejoice over the marvellous authencity of the emulation.




**which is the exact opposite in regards to their older plugins. It's as if they couldn't be bothered anymore since they don't need to squeeze every last bit of computing power out of their aging DSPs with these (native only plugins).

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Uncle E wrote: Wed Dec 10, 2025 6:37 pm
DerKastellan wrote: Wed Dec 10, 2025 11:37 am So, either it's not an emulation of the circuit but more of a sound they had in mind, or they took great liberties with it.
Neither. They simply left out a function.
I think "took great liberties with it" is a fair assessment.

1. They completely rescaled the heck out of the volume knobs in "not small" ways.

2. Only modeling the jumped behaviors, which is not the most common, seems like a liberty to me.

;)

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jens wrote: Fri Dec 12, 2025 1:41 pm Yes, I know - I absolutely hear you on this. But even without comparing the individual amps to the suite it's super-obvious* that whoever coded these didn't give the first damn about cpu-consumption, which is why there is absolutely no reason to assume that the plugins were optimised in any way.**
DerKastellan pointed out that the amps in Paradise are more optimized than on their own.
To me they also do not sound or feel superior in the slightest compared to other amp-sims which use a third or less CPU than these.
In the video that was posted earlier, only one of the plugins sounded like the Plexi reissue I owned.

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Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote: Fri Dec 12, 2025 2:28 pm I think "took great liberties with it" is a fair assessment.

1. They completely rescaled the heck out of the volume knobs in "not small" ways.

2. Only modeling the jumped behaviors, which is not the most common, seems like a liberty to me.

;)
Well, I think we can agree that it's not entirely accurate, even if we're looking at it from different perspectives. It's still one of my favorite amp plugins/pedals, despite that.

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Uncle E wrote: Fri Dec 12, 2025 6:34 pm In the video that was posted earlier, only one of the plugins sounded like the Plexi reissue I owned.
So...?

None of the plugin emulations I use sound like any of the amps I own... which I don't really care much about as long as they sound and feel good to me (i.e. like a good sounding and behaving amp, be it tube- or transistor-based).

Dude in the video also apparently has quite a similar stance, since he pointed out that he made no effort at all to make the plugins he tried sound close to each other; the point being: "can I make good use of it?", much rather than "does it sound like X?"

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jens wrote: Fri Dec 12, 2025 6:57 pm None of the plugin emulations I use sound like any of the amps I own... which I don't really care much about as long as they sound and feel good to me
I don't disagree with you, but if someone specifically does want the sound of a Plexi, they're better off using the Lion/Paradise than any of the other plugins used in that video. Furthermore, given the fact that it's the only one that does it, it's reasonable to assume that that level of authenticity requires extra processing.

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Uncle E wrote: Fri Dec 12, 2025 7:08 pm I don't disagree with you, but if someone specifically does want the sound of a Plexi, they're better off using the Lion/Paradise than any of the other plugins used in that video.
Maybe, maybe not - I bet if I'd look around a bit I'd find enough folks claim that the reissue you had sounds nothing like "the real thing" - there's so many different "Plexi" sounds I've heard that my idea of what exactly it is is rather diffuse - and I am not really sure that would be very different had I ever owned one.

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OK, I'll re-phrase it: if someone wants the particular sound in that video (which also sounds like the handwired reissue I owned), the Lion/Paradise is the only one of those that does it.

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Uncle E wrote: Fri Dec 12, 2025 8:17 pm OK, I'll re-phrase it: if someone wants the particular sound in that video (which also sounds like the handwired reissue I owned), the Lion/Paradise is the only one of those that does it.
Point taken - mine however is that we shouldn't take this as evidence of the UAD amp sims being more accurate, since we don't know what exact amp the others aim to model and even with the same type of amp there's gonna be variations.

(And I'm not even gonna open the can of worms of the included cab sims, which in the case of the UAD amps are uniquely inflexible.)

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I'm so glad I don't care enough about amp sims to argue about them.

I already have my plate full arguing about synths.
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I run synths through Tonex, using captures I made of an original CR-1604 and a MoogerFooger Filter.

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I am probably going to bite the bullet on this one and get it. I already have all of UA’s individual amps, but it would be nice to get all the pedals and the Dumbles and have it all in one plugin so I can add it to my templates. Since I have all the others I can get a hearty discount for a few more days.

I’m pretty impressed with UA’s modeling. Like I’ve said before, I think they’re using machine learning. I’ve been able to replace some TONEX instances with UA’s models of the same amps, and after a bit of knob twiddling I got results that were practically indistinguishable from what I got from TONEX, but with the added benefit of being able to keep going and refine the tone further.

I’m really liking what I get by disabling the cab and using Ocean Way’s guitar cab remiking. This trick works well with TONEX, too.
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Great work! Really impressed.

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Well, based on the opinions in this topic and contributions, I would only add that since TH-U 2.0.9 by OverLoud (December 16, 2025) added AIR (Amp In Room) Immersive cabinets, TH-U is even better than UAD Studio. Here's the video:

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Wanted7 wrote: Sat Jan 10, 2026 4:07 pm Well, based on the opinions in this topic and contributions, I would only add that since TH-U 2.0.9 by OverLoud (December 16, 2025) added AIR (Amp In Room) Immersive cabinets, TH-U is even better than UAD Studio. Here's the video:
I guess it's a matter of taste, but that sounds really artificial to me. Not necessarily in a bad way, but it makes me think, "what's that guitar sound being processed with?" Like some sort of combo of compander and exciter... hard to express. It's what's always bothered me about the TH-U amp modelers.

Paradise does have some of that room convolution as well. It's not very controllable, but it's pretty effective. I'll still stand by Amplitube as having the best room convolution of any amp modeler. Good number of room types and a way to spread the mics for a wider effect. It's so good, I generally use it as my reverb for a lot of my sounds.
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